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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the channel um i'm smiling because me

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and dan have just been sat for pretty

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much an hour

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trying to sort out all these technical

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issues so what i will say straight away

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is as we go through the photos

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we will be skipping and taking screens

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out and sharing stuff to play videos as

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well

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don't ask don't ask listen thank you so

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much for being here i'm really excited

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about this one when me and dan got back

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from colombia we said you know we need

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to sit down and do a behind

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behind-the-scenes

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uh live video so we got here this is the

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one

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i'm going to give a quick shout out to

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my new members um

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we've got wilfred dutch uap

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here we go dutch uap disclosure wilfred

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thank you for becoming a member and we

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also have lydia roma now lydia was

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actually part of the team in colombia so

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it's so good to have her here as well

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um and i think if i'm right walter is in

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the chat um walter if that's you walter

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payne was also part of the team

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so yeah

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yeah let's get into it shall we i'm

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gonna bring in uh

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my guest and

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fellow traveler

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travel buddy

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mr danzetta strom how's it going hey

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great thank you so much um i've been

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excited to do this and and yeah we've

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been gathering all the images together

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and trying to figure out which web

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browsers will give us audio and how we

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can do that and yeah it's been

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it's been a traumatic hour but we got

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there hello hello lydia um

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it's yeah it's cool it's nice to finally

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be here and

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be able to show some people some uh some

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people show people some behind the

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scenes stuff it's uh it's exciting

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absolutely man i'm really excited do you

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know what though i can already tell that

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going through everything is just going

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to make me want to be right back there

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and and experience it all over again

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because it was that incredible so

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yeah yeah absolutely

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cool

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i played the uh the trailer just there

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play the rough cuts video maybe at the

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end um and we're like only a week and a

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half away from the episode one premiere

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i can't lie i am really nervous nervous

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about about how i'm gonna come across

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but it's like your debut well i guess

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for both of us um and we're used to

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putting other people up

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on the camera you know to interview them

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and stuff like that and and it was

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amazing to be a part of but yeah it

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never quite got comfortable in front of

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that lens

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yes crazy it's crazy

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uh should we get straight into it i

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don't think there's anything else

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less let's go for it okay so listen i'll

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caveat this by saying

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this is gonna be this is a mixture of my

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images and videos a mixture of dan

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actually no it's just my images

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there's a disable both they they're

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about my images videos

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whatever you didn't send me you you took

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yeah i took out any videos and stuff

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that i thought the world is not ready to

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drunk vinnie singing and dancing so

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maybe another time um so yeah we're

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gonna go go through it you know and

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these are just travel and behind the

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scenes of all sorts of things there's

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stuff you know there's pictures of food

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let's just get straight to it shall we

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yeah there i am this is me on my way

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to birmingham so on on the day before we

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so there's lots of these traveling

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pictures and stuff so there's me

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if any wore a mask i did not

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um while the bus was empty because it

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would have worn a mask just after this

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so we met up actually do you want to um

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introduce because you spent a little bit

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more time here than i did

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yeah so i i arrived in birmingham quite

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a few hours before dan we met at a local

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pub in birmingham and a few

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followers you know i put put stuff out

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on social media a few followers came

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along and we just hung out

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drank quite a lot

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here which was quite late in the evening

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so we went out the three of us went out

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for a meal so this was just before

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for a few hours sleep barely any sleep

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like we were up at like 2 a.m or

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something stupid like that to go to the

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work closed and we couldn't actually

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check in for a number of hours so we

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were too early but it's better be better

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to be overly prepared uh yeah but yeah

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costs as we kind of went across the

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world to to colombia um you know just to

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the airport how much was it it was it

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was quite expensive and it wasn't that

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yeah do you know what taxi companies

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rate and it's expensive and so on so

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forth um so yeah it was good to compare

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each side of the flights

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what the taxis cost because they were a

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first video vinnie

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this is two two three a.m or something

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stupid but yeah go for it um i need you

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good morning vinnie good morning

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yeah that was a very short one yeah that

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back to the these ones

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these are the technical issues we were

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having guys so we're flicking between

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different links so bear with us yeah

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so this was us on the plane

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this was the first flight wasn't it

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yeah how many legs did we do um should i

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just kind of go through these because i

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think there are a few of these pictures

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this was from birmingham to

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frankfurt germany frankfurt that's right

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see there's quite a few and then they're

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pretty samey it's a plane warning no

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trying to hope that we'd capture

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something an awful lot

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i will press play you won't hear the

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throughout all stages of the day so we

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the stars and stuff like that

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i i promise we have more interesting

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things than just the flights but yeah

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we're getting to work we'll get you know

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once we get to columbia and stuff you

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know it's all good we're just trying to

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give a bit of context and stuff these

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moments you know yeah

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this is where um yeah vinnie vinnie

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recharge this is only what a 30 minute

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a place for you to just face plant down

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you know um and i was uh yeah there you

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interview with tim mcmillan um not the

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most recent one about the gary reed

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to just be able to do that on the go

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with the laptop while uh while

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that the prince slept

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see walt says hey vinnie any vino stops

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while traveling

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do you know what i don't i don't think i

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yeah no no vino i saved

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plenty in colombia though and and now

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so this was quite a cool game again we

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you can see the screen going there you

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you had to just wait uh

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a second and the

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join the game with your mobile phone and

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you the aim was to just get as many

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paper planes as you could it was really

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fun and at one point i think it was on

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the way back when i was playing i i got

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some evil eyes from some strangers

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because i couldn't punch their plane so

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i was just like calm down calm down

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killed a bit of time didn't it

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this was the second leg of the flight

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there's a lovely rainbow over the

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so the planes were actually fairly empty

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uh the food was pretty good a lot of it

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um but yeah the planes were empty so it

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out and put our feet up i was reading

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three body problem

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as we were on our way which is a cool

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fight vinnie

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you know what it was amazing i enjoyed

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it it helped having and this will sound

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cheesy and that but it helps having

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someone with me like a travel buddy

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especially someone we could talk uab for

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like 12 hours or whatever you know the

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flights were ridiculously long so

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you know

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sleep watch the odd movie talk uap boom

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happy days who doesn't want that in this

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community you know

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yeah for sure i'm just gonna cue our

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next video up

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cool

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here we go it's i mean it's one the

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[Music]

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we arrived

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[Music]

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there you go so we made it that was a

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lot of traveling um

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but

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ashley found us pretty smoothly at the

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airport i remember we didn't have to

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just run around trying to figure things

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out um

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but the strange thing was that only

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certain correct me from wrong but only

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certain letters of car registrations

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could be on the road at specific times

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so

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we had to yeah get off the road for a

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little bit

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i guess that's how they manage

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congestion but i don't think it would go

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down amazingly well in the uk yeah so i

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think

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i had it as

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certain times of the day and night

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certain registrations can't leave bogota

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or something like that they have to stay

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within the city limits and for 45

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minutes or an hour so this photograph

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you see now is actually we had to stop

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off at ash's wife's

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mum's flat in bogota

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for like 45 minutes and of course they

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greeted us with a bottle of wine so

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you know what more do you want really

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yeah absolutely

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um

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oh i forgot to play the there is a video

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um i won't play it but basically on the

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landing the the landing was very bumpy

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because you you could cloud layer that

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we're used to seeing kind of above us

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here was the floor there uh so i guess

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the pilot misjudged a little bit and the

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plane bounced back up in the air and

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then re-landed

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that that was

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an interesting experience

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oh where are we going here we go sorry

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don't click the wrong album

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[Laughter]

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there's nothing like that here sir

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there we go

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okay

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see how happy there we go

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like

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look how happy i am

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oh they literally yes cool okay they're

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little live fares yeah

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uh for any future farmer fans out there

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there's uh

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slims mckenzie uh he greeted us

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kind of on the on the drive to the

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location

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and

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oh there you go there's there

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yeah so sorry i skipped ahead there

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can i can i actually get there

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it's just a long video

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if it's a gray as you come in from them

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clouds i don't i think the bounce is

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pretty good in the video you can kind of

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see here then what i was talking about

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like that cloud layer there and then

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that's just the ground

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suddenly ground because it comes

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straight in over the mountains

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yeah yeah absolutely

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so yeah i'm just gonna forward

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i'm just gonna keep my eye on the chat

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logan asks when the new james fox movie

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is coming out it's gotta be soon i think

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he just wrapped doing the audio for it

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literally yesterday landed there

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it happened already it was it was quite

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the bump uh but i guess the camera did

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so this was we pretty much

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arrived at this point and we were at the

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before anyone says these things here

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these are not uap they are lens flares

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from

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these lights here um pro tip just

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kind of making you lay with the same

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photo make it half transparent and just

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flip the image and it'll line up um

390
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but yeah this this was the view

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from uh from the the house of residents

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main base uh just i think maybe an hour

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or two after we'd gotten there um and a

394
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few of us had crashed and i was still up

395
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kind of watching the mountain you can

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see some uh lights off in the distance

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here um and obviously we weren't

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familiar with the area yet so there was

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some flashing here that interested us

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that we didn't really know what it was

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um

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and yet that that's kind of

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that was the that was the travel right

404
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yeah and i think like as soon as we hear

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we're here in this garden we would we

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were our eyes were on those mountains

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looking for these lights and i feel like

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maybe we should explain a little bit

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about the light phenomenon what do you

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reckon

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yeah go for it um

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do you know what i think somebody else

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oh

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there he is

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[Laughter]

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it was so hard earlier on dancing that

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have no good time to speak

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like something better organized

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well that's totally fair

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i would propose that we talked before so

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this is much better to mix this yeah

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sorry dan i had this lined up so i i

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just wanted to surprise him so everyone

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right this is ashley i'm sure you know

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who he is he is the the brains behind

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the expedition but actually before we

427
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get into the actual images when we're at

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in colombia would you mind just giving

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us a brief description of the phenomena

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in 4 1608

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the mountain range was baptized by the

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bishop of tabio

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as the hell of dancing lights el cerro

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de los luces

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and the

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phenomenon has been called el encanto

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the charm the enchantment has been

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called the mohan the mohanis over 400

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years

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so

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the phenomenon let's leave it at that we

442
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can get all into that but

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it's um 400 years it's been recorded in

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various different forms generally blue

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green and red lights that come together

446
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and form one large

447
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lighter oblong shaped golden ball that's

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sorry

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i think you just run into that i just

450
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had to open a window it's all good

451
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getting a bit warm yeah

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so vinnie has like a full production

453
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studio there actually you should see it

454
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it's it's he says this is attic room

455
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like it's not plush and fancy but i i

456
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was impressed it's like uh you know

457
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mission control

458
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,480
you're saying that eric went on there he

459
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just did the quickest nappy change

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imaginable

461
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,440
tech issue yeah you're right

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00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:43,840
anyway so thank you for that ash

463
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,039
appreciate it um so yeah obviously

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knowing you know this has been building

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up for weeks and weeks and weeks

466
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we've had so many meetings leading up to

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it like the three of us on

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stream yard private stream yards just

469
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,320
talking about everything so

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you know as soon as we were there our

471
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,440
eyes were everywhere like so yeah

472
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yeah absolutely um do you find ash

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living pretty much over there that

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wherever you are kind of at nighttime

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00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:13,440
you're just glancing towards that

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mountain every now and then

477
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you guys got to see it but myself and my

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wife we built a house a wooden house on

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stilts which faces that mountain so

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every night for me it's you put on the

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layers it gets really cold in the andes

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and you

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sit there tripod out at the ready

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waiting for

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some kind of light to appear in the

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darkness you can always see the

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silhouette of the mountain so

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i dare say it's not just me but for at

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least 400 years and a lot longer

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i think everybody in the valley has been

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gazing at the top of this mountain it's

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like a cultural fulcrum a central

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point of focus that binds the

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communities out there because you can

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imagine

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600 years ago

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if you're teaching about the clouds the

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rain

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and the climate change

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the elders would be pointing at this

501
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,600
mountain talking these things through

502
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legends

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and it really is a sort of cultural

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point as you know it represents the

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female goddess chia so

506
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the mountain is similar to what it would

507
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be like living in cairo with the pyramid

508
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on the skyline every day that's what i

509
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,880
think it's like i'm just gonna stop

510
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there right here jay allen raises a good

511
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point here he says i have to warn folks

512
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if this theory goes down the drone route

513
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,280
again i'm going to lose my mind what's

514
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left of it

515
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,760
well you know that's a really

516
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:34,000
interesting point

517
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as long as green street doesn't get a

518
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,750
yes

519
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,520
i mean ash you've seen drones in this

520
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,360
area you know you've seen military

521
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,480
drones in this area this light phenomena

522
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,720
is not drones i mean

523
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,480
that's what i'll say right we're we

524
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,640
don't even guys even

525
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,559
cover that suggestion in the in the

526
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,240
documentaries you know and here's why

527
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,080
like three nights before you arrived i

528
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,240
filmed and published the fixed v the

529
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:02,799
fixed wing drone yeah it was quite

530
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,679
clearly a military reconnaissance drone

531
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,760
that i believe would be launched from

532
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,840
one the private airport in the south of

533
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the valley

534
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,440
but um the phenomenon we're filming are

535
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,200
flashing lights

536
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,480
you know

537
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:19,120
quit fast moving lights we're we're not

538
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,320
filming

539
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,720
classic drones sailing through the sky

540
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,280
or venus or roads there's no roads up

541
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:27,200
there so drones is also in the packet

542
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,320
that we can

543
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,559
disregard there's no visual evidence to

544
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:32,240
suggest their drones and the people in

545
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,440
our team

546
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,840
know what drones look like so it would

547
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,799
be a

548
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:39,280
as far from the truth to say they're

549
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:42,320
drones as to say they're ufos there's no

550
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:43,679
you know what i mean there's nothing for

551
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,000
him to say drone there at all

552
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,080
yeah absolutely and quickly before we

553
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,159
move on mr strafe wilson hello strafe

554
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,520
good to see you

555
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,600
update still editing on course for the

556
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,039
first of may

557
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,280
that's a just a horrendous feeling so

558
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,360
here i am i've just had 10 days of my

559
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,280
mum and dads and keith next

560
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,440
um you know we did we filmed together

561
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,080
two weeks ago we did we were in scotland

562
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,600
yeah two weeks ago filming a different

563
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,000
documentary and ash is still in scotland

564
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,400
now he's not back in colombia yet but

565
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,880
what can you tell us about may the 1st

566
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,760
are we ready may the 1st is a mile away

567
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,080
from me i've got

568
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,799
12 or 14 hours of editing to do when i

569
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,720
get home up to me the first because of

570
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,840
course i'm still mastering see episode

571
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,520
four five and six and they're all gonna

572
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,400
roll out once a week from may the first

573
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,720
so the last episode won't be in

574
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,280
completion before the first one goes out

575
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:38,960
which usually you'd like to see the

576
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,760
whole thing in a box packed and ribboned

577
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,039
but i'm not it's going to be a bit of

578
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,880
chaos when they get home because

579
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,960
we you know we filmed

580
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,400
so

581
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:51,039
nine days we filmed for and we filmed

582
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,240
over

583
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,280
500 hours of footage

584
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:57,520
i've got a review i've reviewed most but

585
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,640
for the for the final episodes

586
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,640
there's there's quite a complexity comes

587
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,400
into it as you know so

588
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:06,400
the tr the story that's going to come

589
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,200
through

590
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,600
it's gonna take a real real real intense

591
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,080
edit so i'm not celebrating the may the

592
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,679
first today you're gonna all see it and

593
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,200
it's gonna look seamless but i'm gonna

594
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,320
be like a

595
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,720
a ragged burnt out knot by about may the

596
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,960
second

597
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,280
yeah i just brought up this comment here

598
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,480
so it doesn't matter what you say

599
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,000
they're going to claim it's drones

600
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:27,840
anyway i mean it doesn't mean this

601
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,640
didn't work right i would say yeah

602
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,640
i mean but you know what it's like

603
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,400
these two images on the screen i don't

604
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,039
think dan suggested those were no i

605
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,200
think i just mean in general like you

606
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,960
know being in the community you're going

607
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,039
to get the naysayers we're we're fully

608
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,559
prepared for for the naysayers

609
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,880
coming up here you can kind of see i'll

610
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,400
just go through

611
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,919
we were talking about the the kind of

612
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,520
lights on the mountain and if you just

613
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,520
watch the the left hand side of the

614
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,000
screen there now imagine that you know

615
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:00,080
you you don't know where you are

616
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,360
um

617
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,039
and you don't know the geography of the

618
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,640
area and then just watch the screen and

619
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,559
look at all those

620
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,559
what you could describe as somewhat

621
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,840
dancing lights on the hillside

622
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,120
and

623
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,600
i mean they're not ultimately

624
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:18,080
but it was interesting figuring that out

625
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:19,120
um

626
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,240
you know from the first night to the

627
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,840
first morning realizing oh hey you know

628
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,520
there might be a road on that side or

629
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,320
something like that and you kind of

630
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,760
you you figure out the prosaic

631
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,480
explanations but that it just means that

632
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,080
it's important to pay attention and do

633
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,760
the actual work instead of just you know

634
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,520
running off in one direction for example

635
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,760
absolutely we were stood in locations

636
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,000
like we see on the screen and we we had

637
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,159
laptops phones we were checking

638
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,480
geographical locations roads things like

639
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,080
that all the time throughout the two

640
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,480
weeks we were there we were checking

641
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,880
magnetic anomalies in the area like we

642
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:52,960
were doing so much to check

643
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,360
the area i should say that you guys when

644
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,880
you were there i told you this and i

645
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:58,240
keep saying it is

646
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,080
i expected you to be the the pro ufo

647
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,600
everything that flashed is going to be

648
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,240
intergalactic and it was the reverse

649
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,480
you know and we're not going to divulge

650
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,120
the nature of it but see episode 2

651
00:25:15,789 --> 00:25:13,440
brings what i would call

652
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,799
one of the best bet of

653
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,760
rationalization pieces of work that's

654
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,279
been done yet where you start with

655
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,360
something and take it to a total

656
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:23,039
conclusion you know what i'm talking

657
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,919
about

658
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,000
oh yeah so we're not going to be running

659
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,760
about saying ufo u.s organ into lake is

660
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,919
not about that this is phenomenology so

661
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:33,840
we're our film is about

662
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,960
how people perceive phenomenon what they

663
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,520
think we see and how the mind

664
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:42,000
gets involved and we've got you like a

665
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,200
team to do that with different

666
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,600
perceptions on the same things but

667
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,240
we're not selling drones as ufos we're

668
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,000
way beyond that

669
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,520
the thing is we're not selling ufos

670
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,360
we're we're selling we're not selling

671
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,120
anything because we put everything out

672
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,120
we have no pay wall but what we're

673
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,880
showing is a light phenomena that you

674
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,039
might consider something similar along

675
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:03,200
the lines of the mystery of hestalin in

676
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,400
norway

677
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,080
and things like that it's something that

678
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,240
definitely warrants a lot more analysis

679
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,559
this was an investigation to me

680
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,279
personally where we go out and identify

681
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,760
something and then after we've done that

682
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,679
we then decide how we can proceed

683
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,919
further down the line

684
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,360
absolutely and

685
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,440
being and knowing what we know and what

686
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,600
the public are about to watch and see is

687
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,880
that

688
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,520
if if anybody said what did you discover

689
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,240
on the whole filming project the answer

690
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,240
would be closer aligned with

691
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,080
perhaps a breakthrough

692
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,200
in photonics and wi-fi technologies more

693
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,600
so than perhaps a breakthrough in alien

694
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,200
hunting do you know what i mean yeah

695
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,400
yeah

696
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,720
something anomalous that's for sure

697
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,400
oh the anomaly side of it's the

698
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:50,159
wonderful side because one thing i'm not

699
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:51,279
going we're not doing here years we're

700
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,320
not trying to say there's nothing

701
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,919
mysterious because

702
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,640
it's bizarre in many parts it's going on

703
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,480
there you know let's not make the thing

704
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,840
too dry

705
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,000
yeah um

706
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,840
yeah absolutely

707
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,559
so

708
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,440
couple of questions yeah yeah i'm

709
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,200
looking at the house we all stayed in

710
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,880
you've got to let me shut up and tell

711
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:12,080
the audience what they're looking at

712
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,600
here guys we stayed in this oh yeah

713
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,919
because there's there's also

714
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:17,120
a little a little thing in the

715
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,320
background there that might be worth

716
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,159
speaking about as well oh i already just

717
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,399
noticed that

718
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,399
what you seen just on the hill above

719
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,559
that you can't see my finger oh look at

720
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:28,640
that

721
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,399
episode

722
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,240
i should say this this is cool let's

723
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,600
let's do this for the audience because

724
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:37,039
i'm worried about it

725
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,000
um

726
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,840
i'm quite conscious that the first 20

727
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,480
minutes of episode one is we're indoors

728
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,760
and we are talking machine gun fire

729
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,600
all these things are coming up and out

730
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,279
and we don't really get out to the end

731
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,880
of the first episode but i figured we've

732
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,440
got seven or eight episodes let's not be

733
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,840
in a hurry here let's really

734
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,679
lay out what the phenomenon is a

735
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,520
question just great question and answers

736
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,000
to myself and my wife and the team and

737
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,919
then we get out there and we're pretty

738
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:05,760
much not endorse them for the rest of

739
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:13,669
yeah yeah pretty much

740
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,269
i just wanted to highlight this because

741
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,799
this was the moment for me where i was

742
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,520
just like wow this uh

743
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,360
this kind of

744
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,840
experience um and respect for the

745
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,520
phenomena um

746
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,919
permeates this place uh you know as soon

747
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,200
as you got to a house i was trying to

748
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,480
find light switches and i just found

749
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,679
this um and it's just a tile

750
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,840
commemorating the

751
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,080
marine apparitions uh the fatima

752
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,799
sighting um that many of us see as a uap

753
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,279
event now um but yeah i thought it was

754
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,720
quite cool that there's that crossover

755
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,039
and obviously it's not on the wall as a

756
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,440
ufo event there but

757
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,159
you know it it's kind of

758
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,200
there's a crossover and i think that

759
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,440
was a really great example of it

760
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,200
can we explore this a little bit further

761
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,480
than then so

762
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,880
for me filming

763
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,200
this thing remember phenomenology right

764
00:29:08,669 --> 00:29:07,760
so this is what i take from this is

765
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,679
for

766
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,039
120 years people have gone back and

767
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,320
forth to their site to this church and

768
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,240
i'm a great believer look young said it

769
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,960
not me that the wider one's knowledge

770
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,559
bases and experience the more

771
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,120
synchronicity speeds up because you see

772
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,520
more connections within remote things

773
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,440
apparently remote things

774
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,520
to you guys bringing you there you're

775
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,640
seeing the

776
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,240
fatima connection

777
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,559
with the uep sighting and i think that's

778
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,240
wonderful that's what the whole

779
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,720
project's about is bringing together

780
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,960
all of the parts of the phenomenon

781
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,960
that's 400 years old and presenting them

782
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,960
as that what you've just done here's a

783
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,120
phenomenon here's the thing in europe it

784
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,279
relates to uap and here we are in the

785
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,600
valley of the uap is you called it the

786
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,559
the uap theme park yeah that's where it

787
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,720
felt like you know there's a kind of a

788
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:58,799
controlled experience in

789
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,679
uh

790
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,039
galaxy's edge i think it's called the

791
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,279
the styles experience the star wars park

792
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,120
in in disney uh

793
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,120
and you can kind of you get in a shuttle

794
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:10,000
and you go on a hotel uh to a hotel and

795
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,440
when you get out all of the staff you

796
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,279
encounter are

797
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:15,120
actors and you can speak to different

798
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,399
characters and go on different quests

799
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,520
and they kind of take you in different

800
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,520
directions um and it felt a little bit

801
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,440
like that but it wasn't that it was a

802
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,600
real place everyone had a ufo story or

803
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,320
ufo experience or an experience that we

804
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,080
would see in that way you know and kind

805
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,320
of think oh wow you know this really is

806
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,240
a phenomenon that's been here for ages

807
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,840
and goes by many many different names

808
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,240
depending on who who is viewing it and

809
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,320
their backgrounds and their beliefs

810
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,320
yeah totally done

811
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,000
and we were forever shocked weren't we

812
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,080
because every time we tried to say

813
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,720
to to all the witnesses and eyewitnesses

814
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,480
who interviewed your questions were

815
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,679
always

816
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,679
describe the phenomenon you saw and they

817
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,120
kind of scranton facing for what what

818
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,840
you mean the ufos

819
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,320
you can't get back from this aspect

820
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,559
let's be honest the entirety of the

821
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,440
valley refer to them as ufos

822
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,200
uep hasn't really permeated the

823
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:08,320
colombian language the culture there but

824
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,360
you know

825
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,360
that the assumption is and has been for

826
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,919
60 years that it's ufo and that's what

827
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,440
was good for us because we could just

828
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,000
peel that word away and go write a

829
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,880
stalin brown mountain lights and come do

830
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,640
a bit of comparative

831
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,519
work there you know

832
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:27,360
yeah yeah absolutely i just wanted to

833
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,480
highlight this one as well because we're

834
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:30,960
talking about the church

835
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,519
and this is a really great example of

836
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:35,600
hang on i look like warzone gummitch

837
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,149
honestly look at that

838
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,509
you look beautiful

839
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,559
so vinnie i got got these hats um you

840
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,159
saw us in the pic

841
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,720
for this but we we also because you you

842
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,159
know we do a bit of fundraising come

843
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,679
christmas so

844
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,519
we also picked one up that will be a

845
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,120
charity item we're going to sign it but

846
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:58,720
then we finished it actually

847
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,840
i can't

848
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,919
um but yeah there's a there's a hat that

849
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,519
we picked up while we were in colombia

850
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,559
so

851
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,399
it was you know a from behind the scenes

852
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,480
of phenomenology type thing that that

853
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,919
comes all the way from across the world

854
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,600
so you can look like vinnie and i there

855
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,440
and learn that you don't wear caps you

856
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,799
wear these round hats because otherwise

857
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,640
your ears get burned i wore this a lot

858
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,559
and i had bandeas

859
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,279
phenomenology 2022 starring vinnie

860
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,110
no no it's danish cabaret dg disclosure

861
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,720
but that's another

862
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,559
hey here's a really good point here did

863
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,399
you put white stuff in the brown stuff

864
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:34,480
milky colombian coffee

865
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,679
no

866
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:38,480
strong and black every morning and all

867
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,279
day

868
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,960
see that white stuff and the brown stuff

869
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:43,279
is that reference to sugar to cocaine

870
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,760
oh wow it is colombia after all yeah

871
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,519
you boys will agree

872
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,760
if you're if you've watched netflix and

873
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,440
that's your perception of colombia you

874
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,519
come to colombia all you need to see is

875
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,320
a few photographs of shut up villages

876
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:00,159
and you don't put much white stuff near

877
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,110
no look guys is this the year so on our

878
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,120
first day go back there on our first day

879
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,360
we were walking up a hill acclimatizing

880
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,279
getting her lungs used yes it is by the

881
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,440
way yeah dad why don't you tell the

882
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,240
story what happened there i remember a

883
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,080
gentleman came to to the gate

884
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,679
unfortunately i don't have anything but

885
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,880
i i we filmed a little

886
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:26,880
to tell us the story and basically on

887
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,440
the wall here um there were a few

888
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,679
stories about abductions and i i think

889
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,840
the if i remember correctly the person

890
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:35,360
was abducted and came back with a

891
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,840
message for george

892
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,720
bush and

893
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,720
wrote to him to deliver i think and

894
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,640
that's kind of as far as the story went

895
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,320
but still you know they they had an

896
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,399
experience where they did that um and he

897
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,240
came out and he spoke to us and he was a

898
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,799
really well dressed gentleman and was it

899
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:53,039
was an absolute delight to speak to um

900
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,399
and he spent a bit of time with us and

901
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,760
we saw him around town a few times

902
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,600
actually over the course of uh over the

903
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,519
course of the two weeks

904
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,880
and you're just going to jump in here

905
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,559
and just say a lot of people are asking

906
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,120
questions in the chat and just to keep

907
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,799
just to keep the photographs flowing

908
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,960
because we've got over three hundred i

909
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,000
um

910
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,919
i've flagged all the questions so we can

911
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,760
get to them at the end unless it's

912
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,760
relevant to a certain photograph so your

913
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:16,800
name

914
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,679
sean

915
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,520
um strafe you asked something earlier as

916
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,200
well i've saved all your questions i

917
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,520
will be asking them or answering them

918
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,320
sorry do you know dan there's

919
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:28,240
the next time you see a church let's set

920
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,359
this up too

921
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,280
since the phenomenon was first reported

922
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,320
in 1608 it's had really big christian

923
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,639
over movies where

924
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,960
the sites that were dedicated to chia

925
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,639
the moon goddess of the indigenous

926
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,560
culture have all become at marian

927
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,280
churches dedicated to mary so

928
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,760
mary has been the moon goddess who was

929
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,560
associated with lights for 400 years so

930
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,320
one of our research methods out there is

931
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,760
if you want to find indigenous sites

932
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,400
you plot the church spires and it's

933
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,680
beautiful there because you see in the

934
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,680
valley all these beautiful church spires

935
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,920
all kind of aligned to waika and it's

936
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,599
because they overlaid the ancient sites

937
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:08,400
as we visited and know

938
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,599
dan do you want to play any of those

939
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,240
videos that we skipped or are you cool

940
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,960
uh i mean i i feel like we're going on a

941
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,960
good clip if if there's anything it's

942
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:19,040
basically the the daily updates but we

943
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,839
can

944
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:21,520
i'll save those videos for when we're

945
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:25,040
going up waika i think um because a lot

946
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,470
ryan says hi all so stoked for

947
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,560
phenomenology and i'm so honored to know

948
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,160
vinnie dan and ashley

949
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,400
yeah staring the phenomena in the face

950
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,000
and aren't afraid to embrace it's their

951
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:42,320
impact staying hydrated while doing so

952
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,390
really thought i'm going to start

953
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,640
listening to this crack about uap and

954
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,800
ryan was one of the first podcasts i

955
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,079
found right because he was one of the

956
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,240
bigger ones and i always used to make

957
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,400
sure i had the disclosure team that ufo

958
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,960
podcast and then ryan's one and then i

959
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,880
found myself in this cycle of everything

960
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,560
else i listened to kind of compared to

961
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,000
those three

962
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:12,240
and you discover quite quick that there

963
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,190
i don't know you want to see my watch

964
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,880
later list i'd say there's a million

965
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,640
other podcasts that i try to keep up

966
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,230
um up with them but to get actual

967
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,920
interesting content look at this there's

968
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:30,400
your cave of the marion apparition

969
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:31,440
yeah

970
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,079
i loved hearing about that history as we

971
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,760
were in these places you know it's one

972
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,960
thing to kind of see them but it's

973
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,720
another thing to really

974
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:42,960
feel what the place is like you know

975
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,990
even though it was full of dogs barking

976
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:49,359
there was a real kind of peace there you

977
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,240
know

978
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:51,839
yeah those dogs what was that all about

979
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,880
it was unholy

980
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,040
this also is not the phenomena uh this

981
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,760
is this is the this is the quality of ua

982
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:01,839
photography

983
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,470
i think this is a time lapse i did

984
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,320
right this was shouldn't actually be in

985
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:12,960
there this was a a a fail on a time

986
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,680
lapse i i i just went to social media

987
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,880
and a few people thought i was

988
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,640
insinuating that the cloud here was

989
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,040
maybe a uap i was not it's just a cool

990
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,119
looking cloud that's quite clearly a

991
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,280
drone right

992
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:27,040
and one thing i will say

993
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
once one thing i'll say to people you

994
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,480
keep seeing um shots like this of that

995
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,560
mountain that peak that you can see in

996
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,960
the middle there that is the peak that

997
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,680
is waika where the like phenomena has

998
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,480
been reported for you know 400 years

999
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,880
just so people know how how long so i'm

1000
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,640
just gonna wiggle my mouse here to get

1001
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,560
from about here

1002
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,400
and we had to kind of come down the side

1003
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,400
and maybe down here how long how long

1004
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,480
did it take for us to ascend

1005
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,950
ascend it was three three hours

1006
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,040
do you think so not longer

1007
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,560
no it wasn't longer we

1008
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,880
we actually got it fairly quick i think

1009
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,800
in the comparison to

1010
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,280
what we expected that day uh i think

1011
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,640
there's something we should talk just

1012
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,960
when you're wiggling the the the point

1013
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,560
or the peak of that mountain that that

1014
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,400
part that peak is still today is known

1015
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,960
as la puerta de los theosis the doorway

1016
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,520
of the gods because the phenomenon of

1017
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,599
has been reported there at that peak for

1018
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,040
so long so

1019
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,480
you know the doorway of the gods is

1020
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,079
where the gods are said to have come

1021
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:30,240
from a place that time forgot into this

1022
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,119
world

1023
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,960
through that mountain where the lights

1024
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,589
yeah that was right here and this was

1025
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,119
that was the mirror door which you'll

1026
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,839
see again from we went up there it was

1027
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,040
good to have a

1028
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,560
decent idea of

1029
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,560
how long that took and how much effort

1030
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,640
it took because disliking equipment up

1031
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,880
there would just be a nightmare like the

1032
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,839
big like

1033
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,440
i i can imagine trying to get those big

1034
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,079
film lights up there with us to

1035
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,920
you know make the displays the flight

1036
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,400
that have been reported and and it would

1037
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,480
just be a nightmare i i don't think

1038
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,000
that's

1039
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,920
a heli drop you know

1040
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,680
yeah stay on that for a second down

1041
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,000
because one thing i will just state is

1042
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,079
that massive flat

1043
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,720
stone rock face that you see pretty much

1044
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,560
all of that picture there is no access

1045
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,520
that is

1046
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,440
no one can get on that face it's too

1047
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,680
vertical there are no paths and that is

1048
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,480
where the light phenomena appears it is

1049
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,640
in a place and a location on that

1050
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,880
mountain where it's physically

1051
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,200
impossible unless you've got you know

1052
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,040
all your ropes and climbing gear and

1053
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,200
you'd still need ridiculous lighting and

1054
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,560
stuff it's it's virtually impossible

1055
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,480
to get anywhere other than the peak

1056
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,480
coming from the side and it's been

1057
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,400
closed for 18 months by the police

1058
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:48,000
legally the whole thing's closed right

1059
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,280
i didn't tell you

1060
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,640
but there was like robberies of tourists

1061
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,400
a week before you came

1062
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,880
we knew what was going on

1063
00:40:03,670 --> 00:39:58,640
yeah

1064
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,680
back on the mountain and stuff

1065
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,960
yeah

1066
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,280
can you imagine the underlying anxiety i

1067
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,960
was going through not only could i make

1068
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,359
it to the top i'm a bit older than you

1069
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,520
but it was are we going to get back down

1070
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,359
without getting them to come off so

1071
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,520
that's why we had julio and the three

1072
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,119
amigos right they were ahead of us and

1073
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,720
behind us they were locals they're

1074
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,359
guides so we that felt that felt good

1075
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,760
having them there for me yeah

1076
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,200
oh totally

1077
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,839
i love that [\h__\h] look at that painting

1078
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,440
i know it's beautiful

1079
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:33,760
and and again you've got you know the

1080
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,319
the uap the ufo the

1081
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,640
light from heaven you know whatever you

1082
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,280
want to call it it's present again in

1083
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,960
this beautiful landscape picture in a

1084
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:44,560
way that's really subtle that you don't

1085
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,319
usually see you know uapr like that

1086
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:50,079
there's lots of archetypes in that

1087
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,240
picture they are that rainbow the gods

1088
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,000
are said to travel on the rainbow from

1089
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,359
waikiki to mojoy across the valley

1090
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,280
was as colors so the rainbow in this

1091
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,760
instant represents the phenomenon

1092
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,520
between the two mountains

1093
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,920
ah very interesting that's right

1094
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,640
we should say our film greatly focuses

1095
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,880
on this one because ever it was all

1096
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,800
everything was pointing towards this

1097
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,720
we're at the base of this one but it

1098
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,720
does have a partner you know this is the

1099
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,400
female mountain look at it shaped like a

1100
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,280
breast but the male mentioned that that

1101
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:23,680
features two

1102
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,910
this is a really beautiful place we we

1103
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:31,359
had lunch here

1104
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,160
and

1105
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,000
it was just you know there was uh a

1106
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,760
little book shop here

1107
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,680
that was in the front of the

1108
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,119
the restaurant

1109
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,359
um and who was it run by bit but remind

1110
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,870
it's the name of the place is mary's

1111
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,079
there you go

1112
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,400
and it's natty dos our

1113
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:54,079
fixer producers

1114
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:55,760
sister that owns it

1115
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,280
this is nanty das natty dos there she is

1116
00:42:02,910 --> 00:42:00,960
i have to say

1117
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:02,920
the food was phenomenal

1118
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,880
[Laughter]

1119
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,640
you just filmed a team there that's

1120
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:10,240
better than anything i've filmed it was

1121
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,440
like

1122
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,040
you floated in and now you're at the

1123
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,640
table and i'm in it

1124
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,000
well this is this is the cool thing

1125
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:17,839
about

1126
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,880
um you know iphones things like that

1127
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,040
you can just get them uh they're just

1128
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,880
more versatile than cameras used to be

1129
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,599
um you know we all kind of have one and

1130
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,000
yeah the stabilizer is so so good now

1131
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,440
that you can actually use it for

1132
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,599
cutaways in the final documentary it's

1133
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,119
good enough for you to drop us and then

1134
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,560
with an iphone if you didn't get it on

1135
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,960
anything else they're really good

1136
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,440
only now with the 13 really the 12 and

1137
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,680
the 13.

1138
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,960
sorry if there's a little noise in the

1139
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,040
background from me there's this my

1140
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,000
nipper is fixing a motorbike oh it's a

1141
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,400
minor bird

1142
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,280
no

1143
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,760
fixing neighbors fixing a motorbike and

1144
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,280
a motorbike i think he said a minor bird

1145
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,640
i thought get it on screen i want to

1146
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,800
meet this guy

1147
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,640
right back to the slides we're not onto

1148
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,160
binder parts

1149
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,440
so these were just some things around

1150
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,680
the restaurant that we were

1151
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,079
looking at um this was i mean you can

1152
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,680
see it here i was looking for a notebook

1153
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,119
the whole time and i couldn't find one

1154
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,720
um and then i found this one which was

1155
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,480
lovely um and

1156
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,319
purchasing it helped me you know support

1157
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,560
a local business and it was really nice

1158
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,440
to you know spend money in the community

1159
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,280
and give back uh because it was so

1160
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,040
lovely to us

1161
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,880
it was also cool because you whipped out

1162
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,560
at the end of every scene so i got kind

1163
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,400
of an over the shoulder down updating

1164
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,079
the picture on the front of the diary or

1165
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,720
someone else doing it i think everybody

1166
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,119
i'll show you here so everyone basically

1167
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,720
i got everyone to sign this and i say

1168
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,079
everyone there were a few people missing

1169
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,680
it was just the

1170
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,000
the participants um

1171
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,000
who yeah i guess wouldn't make the film

1172
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,440
but you you and natty have to sign ash

1173
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,280
i was actually heartbroken i watched

1174
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,720
everyone else and i was like when's dan

1175
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,119
gonna ask me to do that oh no i'm i'm

1176
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,720
sure i asked you

1177
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,119
it was just yeah that it was around it

1178
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,440
yes but you can you can see it there

1179
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,119
everyone signed it it was cool

1180
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,270
there you go

1181
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,950
so again wonderful food

1182
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:21,510
so this this is the interview

1183
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,550
don't say we could we

1184
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,640
we i'll just say this to everyone

1185
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,400
watching is we

1186
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,040
have purposely taken out a lot of clips

1187
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:35,119
and stuff from the actual investigations

1188
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,400
that we were doing because we just

1189
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,920
wanted to show behind the scenes and not

1190
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,760
spoil anything for when the series comes

1191
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,760
out so yeah ashley if you want to talk

1192
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,880
about this a little bit you can but i

1193
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,800
didn't want to spoil anything yeah i

1194
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,280
don't because the thing is it's

1195
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,720
yeah i'm delighted what you're showing

1196
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,160
you because you're not actually showing

1197
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,920
anything that we're using in the film so

1198
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,240
thanks a lot

1199
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,680
no problem we did we did go through it

1200
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,520
with the fine tooth comb yeah so for

1201
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,200
everyone watching as well this does just

1202
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,880
look like a two-week holiday that we're

1203
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:04,800
showing tonight because we have taken

1204
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,599
out

1205
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,960
everything to do with the actual

1206
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,560
investigations because it just would

1207
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,480
spoil the documentary series when it

1208
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,480
comes out

1209
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,560
you know probably for your audience to

1210
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,880
consider see this picture right now

1211
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,560
so you're watching this from dan's

1212
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,400
perspective tonight but look where i am

1213
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,640
and look where my camera is imagine what

1214
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,480
they look like in that setting from that

1215
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,040
camera perspective they're about to

1216
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,160
interview two local business owners

1217
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,480
over uh an eyewitness

1218
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,079
account that they made themselves and

1219
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,319
they describe it out and i filmed

1220
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,560
about 45 minute interview dan and vinnie

1221
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,560
with these people and they're like two

1222
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,040
of the most respected folk in town so

1223
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,119
it's so good to have these people on in

1224
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,880
their own business and as you said dan

1225
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,280
every single scene in our film supports

1226
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,839
another local business whether it's a

1227
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,160
local julio and his brothers whether

1228
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,000
it's not the police we couldn't use them

1229
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,680
but this shop for instance the coffee

1230
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,160
shops we saw people preparing this stuff

1231
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,640
so it is really culturally rich there's

1232
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,119
no scenes there's no studios it's all

1233
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,960
unseen isn't it

1234
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,359
yeah yeah yeah absolutely how did you

1235
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,319
find because i think this was

1236
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,079
this was probably the first interview

1237
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,920
that vinnie and i have done in person

1238
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,480
together with people like after after

1239
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,079
all the you know podcasts we've done

1240
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,160
other people we've spoken to yeah that

1241
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,680
was how did you find that vinny being in

1242
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,680
front of the camera um i didn't mind

1243
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,880
being in front of the camera and i think

1244
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,920
this one was a good start for the the

1245
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,920
interviews we did over the the duration

1246
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,440
of the trip because

1247
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,760
luckily these guys spoke english so we

1248
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,560
were okay that's not luck that was

1249
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,440
really well planned by that you know

1250
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,760
your first one was not going to be with

1251
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,680
someone like some of the other people we

1252
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,920
filmed yeah because we

1253
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,520
we did do interviews we did do

1254
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,359
interviews with people that you know we

1255
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,760
had to have translators and that's where

1256
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,440
things get a little bit difficult and so

1257
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:56,560
luckily

1258
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,960
straightforward because they were

1259
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:05,119
english speaking so

1260
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,560
yeah

1261
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,079
and they were very

1262
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,680
let's let's talk about that guy because

1263
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,720
we don't have to reveal anything but

1264
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:12,240
we're allowed to tease we did a lot of

1265
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,119
work

1266
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,960
this is literally what this is for like

1267
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,400
just give some information in this

1268
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,720
interview talks about

1269
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,520
an oxford professor and his opinion on

1270
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,400
what they saw remember so we have the

1271
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,800
opinion of an oxford professor on this

1272
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,400
particular site and i remember that in

1273
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,520
the interview that will be used

1274
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,599
there we go

1275
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,760
nice thank you

1276
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,119
oh this is great ash i'm glad you could

1277
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,720
join us

1278
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,960
i was a bit mess i just thought oh look

1279
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,559
the two guys are you're giving it from

1280
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,800
your perspective and i thought

1281
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,400
maybe there's no space for me here

1282
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,319
because it would be interesting to hear

1283
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,000
it from an outsider's perspective but

1284
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,240
i'm loving it i'm loving being involved

1285
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,640
ash tell us what this is here because i

1286
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,240
this blew my mind

1287
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,760
yeah this is cool

1288
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,559
so the the valley has two villages tabio

1289
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:01,839
and ten ho

1290
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,559
one of the villages ten ho

1291
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,760
has a such a history of the phenomenon

1292
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,160
being cited from the village that the

1293
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,200
local mayor who was voted in last year

1294
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,160
has used a ufo in the official town

1295
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,839
crest and got it

1296
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,760
rubber stamped by head authorities in

1297
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,119
bogota so

1298
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,520
so predominant is the phenomenon in this

1299
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,839
town that you can see it look at the ufo

1300
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,240
above the church

1301
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:30,559
yeah it's very very cool that it's

1302
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,030
do you know what documentary makers have

1303
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,200
to do to try and find

1304
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,720
like you watch the area of 51

1305
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,319
documentaries you know one thing that's

1306
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,920
gonna happen is everyone's gonna have

1307
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,559
the the alien that one in you know

1308
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,880
before and they're so pushed for content

1309
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,079
but we

1310
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,240
everything we looked at everything we do

1311
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,760
everywhere you turn

1312
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:54,960
paintings

1313
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,800
aliens albany's light phenomenon ufos

1314
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,240
it's just

1315
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,480
so rich yeah sorry

1316
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,000
hence the reason you were there you know

1317
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,520
it's and this is great there's the

1318
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,359
valley there we were staying at the base

1319
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:11,200
sort of the base of that mountain right

1320
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,589
yeah it was just beautiful i mean and

1321
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,920
the thing is we're in a uh the loca i

1322
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,599
think that's one of the local taxis am i

1323
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,800
right

1324
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,960
let's see is it a bus

1325
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,640
well we had we had drivers and stuff

1326
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,160
didn't we it was it was strange people

1327
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,000
just turned up and took us places it was

1328
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,000
quite bizarre yeah we had different

1329
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,839
drivers for different days sometimes we

1330
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,720
needed

1331
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,559
like julio and i keep calling the three

1332
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,040
amigos they they had the old four by

1333
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,800
four the mitsubishi when we needed to go

1334
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,559
up white and stuff but

1335
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,319
these are the talent oh no that's a four

1336
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,680
by four were you not guys not in the

1337
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:46,880
back of that

1338
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,920
oh that's coming up i'm sure

1339
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,240
that's exciting this one actually where

1340
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:54,480
i'm filming kind of you you can see i

1341
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,920
kind of hang my hand low by the tire um

1342
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,640
and yeah my my phone was covered in dirt

1343
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,720
i was just like oh my god i i didn't

1344
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,480
i've or at least i forgot that those mud

1345
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,400
flaps were not protecting my phone they

1346
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:08,000
were protecting you know the underside

1347
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,790
walter's hearing the chat saying that

1348
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,119
was a taxi

1349
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,480
yeah you're not meant to say that you

1350
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:20,559
meant to say it's ash's cool 4x4

1351
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,180
off-road thing

1352
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,839
[Laughter]

1353
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:25,520
i'm not just right there thanks walter

1354
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,030
one of the guys that was on the trip

1355
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,040
right walter i can tell people who you

1356
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,880
are because we're gonna just about to

1357
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,440
show the world walters works

1358
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,200
with he's a space analyst in north

1359
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,920
america so he we had

1360
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,319
kind of like a

1361
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,559
what would you say how could you put how

1362
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:47,760
much

1363
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,880
would you need a space analyst on a uap

1364
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:53,040
investigation it's like perfect so he's

1365
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,640
a drone pilot too and this is who you've

1366
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,119
seen shouting at us here so the world

1367
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,559
will know walter

1368
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,480
on the first domain definitely oh

1369
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,319
definitely

1370
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,440
walter was so invaluable he was

1371
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,240
just

1372
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:07,920
so valuable

1373
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,119
valuable i mean man if without walter

1374
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,760
we'd we wouldn't have had some of the

1375
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,960
important

1376
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,200
insight and stuff like that he was so

1377
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,559
cool

1378
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,960
it was them a case where if walter for

1379
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,720
some reason he doesn't know it because

1380
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,960
he can see his oblivious but when

1381
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,880
maybe the table sitting down engaged in

1382
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,559
the conversation walter will appear with

1383
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,240
a set of binoculars at a window in the

1384
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,559
distance like he's just

1385
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,800
constantly on the phenomenon right

1386
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,119
constantly looking for the lights

1387
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,400
should we use this moment to kind of

1388
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,000
introduce everyone just because yeah

1389
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,390
these these were some of my favorite

1390
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,200
moments actually just just because

1391
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,960
you know no matter what we were doing in

1392
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,880
the day and some some days you know some

1393
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,119
of us went out and other ones were

1394
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,480
recovering

1395
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,640
finney

1396
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,880
sorry that wasn't you that was a another

1397
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,680
guy that's dj um

1398
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,880
but

1399
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,280
again the

1400
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,680
it was a good kind of place to debrief

1401
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,040
at the end of every day and just talk

1402
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,680
about what we felt about the day and

1403
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,599
many people here were just experiencing

1404
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,440
life in different areas and it was great

1405
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,680
to hear different angles and

1406
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,280
you know just

1407
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,280
get that rational side of things no one

1408
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,440
was debunking but everyone was kind of

1409
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,000
skeptical in their own kind of ways

1410
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,520
but we all had different violences as

1411
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,800
well you know i think i discovered that

1412
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,160
within myself when i was out there so

1413
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,559
that that was interesting uh but yeah

1414
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,280
let's go from the left um ash you you

1415
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
kind of

1416
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:38,160
vetted these people and accepted them

1417
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,160
and you know that let them

1418
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:42,720
on to the project so

1419
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:45,839
start from the left and tell me

1420
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:49,119
this business yeah so this is jeshren

1421
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,400
rassingham

1422
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,480
who is an analyst from london he's

1423
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:53,839
involved in

1424
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,920
international politics just say that

1425
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:57,280
it's broad enough

1426
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,640
he's um a big data analyst

1427
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,200
he lent leans towards skeptic but

1428
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,040
definitely definitely one of the more

1429
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,359
open ones of the team he's got big

1430
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,760
parameters one of jesh's lines which is

1431
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,119
going to come out in the first to me one

1432
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:12,839
of his first lines

1433
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,480
is i shouldn't disregard

1434
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:18,079
interdimensional

1435
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,880
and i shouldn't disregard

1436
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,680
extraterrestrial

1437
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:23,839
but i leaned towards it being

1438
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,480
an unexplained natural phenomenon and

1439
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,680
that's just

1440
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:29,839
that's big

1441
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,800
that's jesh jess was awesome man yeah

1442
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,800
such a such a cool guy

1443
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,440
really really really such a cool guy low

1444
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,079
anxiety chatting away really good at it

1445
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,839
i thought he was great

1446
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,400
yeah very very well traveled as well so

1447
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,160
he he kind of gathered some interesting

1448
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,559
perspectives and you know there was a

1449
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,400
moment where we thought oh my god you

1450
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,839
know he he might be in danger and

1451
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,720
actually he he kind of had it right like

1452
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:56,319
he was fine and he was just like now i

1453
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,359
know what i'm doing i've done this

1454
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:58,800
before

1455
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,119
in places so yeah

1456
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:02,800
that it was interesting to have him on

1457
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:05,920
board um and then

1458
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,599
left is lydia rumor lydia is an attorney

1459
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,040
and judge

1460
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,400
in um

1461
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:14,960
one of the new york districts

1462
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,800
lydia has been to colombia on three

1463
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:21,599
occasions this was her third return so

1464
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:25,000
on our panel of let's call ourselves uep

1465
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,480
enthusiasts no such thing as an expert

1466
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:30,559
lydia lydia was good because she would

1467
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,839
make quite blunt straight calls

1468
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,440
like when we present some of the

1469
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,520
photographs that i've taken historically

1470
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,839
which might or might not represent the

1471
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,079
phenomenon as we explore

1472
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,079
lydia is quick to determine whether she

1473
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:46,319
thinks this was a torch or absolutely

1474
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,359
not so

1475
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,400
while a lot of us explore ideas lydia

1476
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,319
didn't say much but he would make these

1477
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,520
really snap sharp judgments so she plays

1478
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:57,760
a really interesting role and also kind

1479
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,319
of you know lydia she's most

1480
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,000
you know if you could design your own

1481
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,760
granny it would be lydia right she's the

1482
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,520
most mental

1483
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,760
lovely welcoming person in the world

1484
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,960
right

1485
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:10,799
yeah absolutely but with the best new

1486
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:16,069
yeah

1487
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,440
totally

1488
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,359
and then we go around the table look so

1489
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,440
next is that are we getting the victory

1490
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,200
off natty doss we are

1491
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,119
yeah we call her natty dos which is

1492
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,880
quite you know her name is nattie

1493
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,680
castellos natalia cast janos but my

1494
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,480
wife's name is natalia also so

1495
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:35,200
we have natalia uno and natalia dorse

1496
00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:38,319
because i'm together they are called

1497
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:39,740
oh the illuminati

1498
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,559
[Laughter]

1499
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,720
the tune that is is perfect isn't it the

1500
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,440
illuminati

1501
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,280
yeah so

1502
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:52,319
so natty dos is a producer she is a

1503
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,880
translator she filmed for me with me she

1504
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,040
is great so she's like at the heart of

1505
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,040
preparing the whole show

1506
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,400
and um

1507
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,920
she was with us all week wasn't she

1508
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,920
great guys

1509
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,799
yeah really really kind of insightful in

1510
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:10,160
terms of

1511
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,359
the

1512
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,480
side because she hadn't long found out

1513
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,599
that she had kind of a moist heritage um

1514
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,040
and it was really interesting going to

1515
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,400
these places and asking her about what

1516
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,319
she'd learned because yeah she just knew

1517
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,359
a lot um and and could kind of

1518
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,720
i felt like she translated the

1519
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,480
subtleties well you know she thought

1520
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,640
about what she was saying

1521
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,920
i think it was more as well it was

1522
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,680
comforting to have someone local just

1523
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,480
there

1524
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,480
hanging out with us and and making us

1525
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,400
understand everything you know i had so

1526
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,640
many questions all the time and i i'm

1527
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:42,559
sure i went to natty so many times and

1528
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,280
like

1529
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:45,200
what's this what's that explain this

1530
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,720
explain that and she was just like boo

1531
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,880
boo boom boom like just

1532
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,680
done

1533
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,200
you know amazing

1534
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,119
and also she when we got to the

1535
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,920
mountains and stuff the hilltops she she

1536
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,920
is aware and knows the moisture rituals

1537
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,920
to ask for permission to enter the

1538
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,599
mountain and then for permission to do

1539
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,680
to be safe and then to leave and it was

1540
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,440
lovely she'd do offerings tobacco and

1541
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,040
stuff you did a wrap you didn't you with

1542
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,880
her on the boy yeah there'll be there's

1543
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,799
a picture coming up that you'll see but

1544
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,680
yeah every opportunity i could i just

1545
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,520
you know went headfirst and people are

1546
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,440
kind of being very gracious enough to

1547
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,960
send me out there so i just felt i could

1548
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,640
do nothing less than just embrace the

1549
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,720
experience and whatever came with it so

1550
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,559
yeah i kind of partake in a number of

1551
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,640
those ceremonies and and they were

1552
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,599
interesting interesting sensations um

1553
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,799
you know having

1554
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,720
that that blown up your nose

1555
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,920
um

1556
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,760
but it's

1557
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,880
sorry go on

1558
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,880
now please i can interrupt you later go

1559
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,680
on

1560
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,359
it's actually i'll hold it because we'll

1561
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,200
get to a point here where there are some

1562
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,440
photos that i was about to talk about

1563
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:47,359
the ceremony in the hut but well we'll

1564
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,400
get there

1565
00:58:07,030 --> 00:57:50,480
yeah we'll go um so then you've met

1566
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,910
nadi my wife beside me is she produced

1567
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,839
pretty much everything dealt with all of

1568
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,480
the locations and making sure we had the

1569
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,799
right permissions from the police and

1570
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,720
all the nuances being sorted out like

1571
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,640
i've got terrible spanish while i can

1572
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,760
get a yes you can go up the mountain

1573
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,440
that he gets all of the details make

1574
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,799
sure everybody's

1575
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,880
fed make sure the cleaners the cooks and

1576
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:30,160
all the people that make the thing the

1577
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,599
mechanics of the film come together so

1578
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,760
between natalie uno and nadi

1579
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,839
i was left to greatly just look through

1580
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,599
the camera lens and trying to figure out

1581
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,280
what to record and

1582
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,880
they just took care of like everything

1583
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,880
else production-wise so there's nat euno

1584
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:47,119
and daddy dos

1585
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,640
yeah it was incredible man i felt

1586
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,359
spoiled i i'm so used to

1587
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,200
doing things and when we were there

1588
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,680
everyone was doing everything for us

1589
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,599
and that felt really bizarre to me you

1590
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,400
know having food cooked for you and

1591
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,040
just being told yep this is sorted you

1592
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,640
just have to be here you know it was

1593
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,720
just it was great it was

1594
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,319
strange but great

1595
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,160
i get the here's the big thing that they

1596
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,839
did for me too is they covered my

1597
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,920
feelings in the sense that

1598
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,680
i think we're on to day four when i

1599
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,000
remember i was so in deeply entrenched

1600
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:20,000
into and panicking that was getting

1601
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,520
things right like am i pressing the

1602
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,280
record button on the sound is the

1603
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,200
lighting going to be fine is the

1604
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,799
battery do we have bad display with the

1605
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:28,079
whole thing

1606
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,309
of our own so yeah

1607
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:45,839
yeah it was it was that moment before

1608
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,720
yeah

1609
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:48,079
so you would have been very focused

1610
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,880
there

1611
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,799
um here i won't show this again just in

1612
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,720
case you use it in the film but it's

1613
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:54,160
ash explained that there was yeah a

1614
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,720
reason that you can show this i don't

1615
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,720
think there's anything yeah is it what

1616
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,720
it is is real honesty there's no we're

1617
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:02,640
not i can't even remember filming it

1618
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,549
but it tells a story i think

1619
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,079
it does and the thing is that while dan

1620
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,720
like lays up the video ready to play we

1621
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,559
were this was not just one vehicle we

1622
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,640
were in convoy of two sometimes three

1623
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,319
vehicles as well and

1624
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,000
you kind of stand out like a sore thumb

1625
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,240
and we knew and we were aware that going

1626
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:24,079
up to some of these locations

1627
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,760
there are bandits in the area that kind

1628
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,440
of keep their eye out for people that

1629
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,359
stand out like gringos you know the

1630
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:30,960
white the white man

1631
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,430
please with us

1632
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,280
right we couldn't tell dan and vinnie

1633
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:40,799
and everybody before they came but the

1634
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:43,040
truth is these mountains are really

1635
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,799
dangerous there's lots of quite poor

1636
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,760
families a small fall smart small

1637
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,400
cartels okay so they follow the tourists

1638
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,319
up and rob them at the top so what we

1639
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,920
had to do today to make sure everybody

1640
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,240
was safe was to send police cars and

1641
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,960
trucks up there all morning to signal

1642
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,960
outwards of this activity and cops up

1643
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,880
here today so now we're coming up in a

1644
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:04,640
group of about 15 people nobody's going

1645
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:12,789
yeah that's the troops

1646
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,470
that's cool and and then we got up there

1647
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,920
and unfortunately we couldn't go any

1648
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,040
further than

1649
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,160
here um so we kind of flipped the script

1650
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,240
and went over to the other side of the

1651
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,789
do you know what happened to me when the

1652
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,240
those cops said you ain't going any

1653
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,319
higher i'm like

1654
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:32,880
you and dan and lydia and vinnie and

1655
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,760
what you accumulate accumulated 50 000

1656
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,920
miles to get there and home and we're

1657
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:39,440
not getting to up the mountain you know

1658
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:43,200
i never took a stroke that day

1659
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:44,640
we flipped the script and went to the

1660
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,520
other mountain fortunately doss

1661
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,440
flipped my script and got us up the

1662
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:51,119
other mountain

1663
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,640
i'm just going to just respond to this

1664
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,480
jay allen any questions regarding

1665
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:56,240
anything that we may or may not have

1666
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,039
seen

1667
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,960
i'm going to avoid answering at this

1668
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:01,359
point just to avoid any spoilers from

1669
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,039
the documentary series my apologies um

1670
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,480
what we are going to be doing and for

1671
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,359
everybody um when the episodes do air

1672
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,160
weekly on the phenomenology channel as

1673
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,079
soon as each episode's aired we are

1674
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,480
going to be going live to discuss the

1675
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,720
episode and that's when we can really

1676
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,720
talk about things but until it's out i

1677
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,880
just don't want to spoil anything

1678
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,200
so yeah i know that sucks sometimes for

1679
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,039
people but i think it's just the right

1680
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,720
thing to do i think you're absolutely

1681
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,880
right but i'm reading this guys was it

1682
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,400
what was that question there the last

1683
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,160
one because what he was asking was was

1684
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,160
it all passive observation that's the

1685
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:37,920
direct question isn't it but yeah did it

1686
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,160
react to us or was it passive

1687
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,319
observation like okay

1688
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,640
yeah but i think that'll all be

1689
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,200
yeah it will be clear

1690
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,200
yeah in the seri you know

1691
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,720
yeah without saying anything you know i

1692
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,400
don't want to spoil it anything it's in

1693
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:54,000
there is going to set people away

1694
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,760
thinking something yeah it's a difficult

1695
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,839
one it's a really difficult one jaylen i

1696
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:00,559
hope you understand my friend

1697
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,000
so this is mojo that we're up here um

1698
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,240
this was a rappy ceremony where as i was

1699
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,920
first introduced to that

1700
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:10,559
um and i just maybe we should explain

1701
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,190
there you go uh yeah go go ahead ash um

1702
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,480
you're more

1703
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,079
informed

1704
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,240
you can imagine two bird leg bones

1705
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,319
hollowed so you have two hollow pipes

1706
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:26,319
and they are joined at a right angle

1707
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:27,359
with a wee

1708
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:28,319
bracket

1709
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,280
so you put powdered tobacco pure it's so

1710
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,920
let me go back they take to indigenous

1711
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,839
people take tobacco leaves and dry them

1712
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,280
for two years

1713
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:39,039
carefully controlling the climates of no

1714
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,480
mold farms

1715
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,000
they rub that up and powder it they put

1716
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,720
it in the end of a pipe so as you

1717
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,240
hang on let me get this right yeah you

1718
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:48,799
blow down one end of the pipe

1719
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,359
as you sniff up your left nostril

1720
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,599
and you get a really intense punch of

1721
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,039
tobacco

1722
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,200
it expands the lungs

1723
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,440
gives you energy clears the head

1724
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,960
makes you talk

1725
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,280
and it and it um

1726
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,359
cleanses you so it's part of a cleansing

1727
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,880
ceremony when you're at the top of the

1728
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,280
mountain so there we go it's like a

1729
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:12,000
snuff if you like in old england but

1730
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:13,359
delivered with a

1731
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,280
pipe self-administered

1732
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,440
how did you find it

1733
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,000
it was really great it kind of gave you

1734
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,799
just a little bit of head space after

1735
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:24,960
just exhausting yourself kind of really

1736
01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:28,640
existing effort to get to the top of the

1737
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,380
to get to the peak um

1738
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,359
[Music]

1739
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,200
it was really nice as well to kind of

1740
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,440
just take that moment at that time to

1741
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,880
acknowledge the history of the place

1742
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,720
that you were stood in and what that

1743
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,240
meant to people that have come before

1744
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:44,720
you um i i don't think we do that enough

1745
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,119
these days and it just you know at the

1746
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:48,640
very least it gave you that space to be

1747
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:50,480
mindful of the moment and present in the

1748
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,720
moment which i feel

1749
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,799
like

1750
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:56,400
you know that that would have been

1751
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:59,440
appreciated um if i was to get in a time

1752
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,680
machine and go back then uh to just kind

1753
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,960
of sit there and take part and really

1754
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:05,359
consider uh the import of the place they

1755
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,559
they kind of i think i said to you at

1756
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:09,039
one point that going up and down to

1757
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,400
these peaks it felt like there were

1758
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,760
different realms that you passed through

1759
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,200
that had kind of you know different

1760
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:15,760
ecology different uh feelings different

1761
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:18,319
sounds and yeah it was just bizarre kind

1762
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:21,440
of really really otherworldly

1763
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,079
so much dylan and it's not

1764
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:26,160
imagination that makes it otherworldly

1765
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:28,079
here's why when you're at ten thousand

1766
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,839
eight thousand feet five hundred eight

1767
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,119
thousand five hundred feet what we

1768
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,799
started

1769
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:34,960
well when you ascend five hundred feet

1770
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,920
from there that the air again halves

1771
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:40,079
so without the supply of oxygen to your

1772
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,280
brain

1773
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,000
colors do become brighter smells do

1774
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,760
become more intense

1775
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,920
you sweat and there's no breath you're

1776
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,920
cold because you're sweating it yeah and

1777
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,079
you've got this driving cold air thin

1778
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,319
air but yet the sun is on your forehead

1779
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:55,920
so you can be

1780
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,799
everything changes your perception

1781
01:06:02,630 --> 01:05:59,920
of

1782
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,640
everything in your reality is slightly

1783
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,119
warped so it truly is otherworldly and

1784
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:06,960
the higher you go by the time you get to

1785
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:09,440
the top of la pena de weica

1786
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,039
it feels

1787
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,200
wholly otherworldly where

1788
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,039
even what you see changes everything

1789
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,039
becomes higher resolution you understand

1790
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,079
that yeah oh god yeah i mean it was yeah

1791
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:21,920
we were warned about it a lot about the

1792
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,559
change of well how it would all change

1793
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,319
um and you felt it

1794
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,079
definitely and i think the good thing is

1795
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,000
you know we climbed two mountains we

1796
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,240
climbed to mojoy before we climbed waika

1797
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,480
and mahogany gave us a good opportunity

1798
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:36,160
to experience that before we did the big

1799
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,440
one you know

1800
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,760
but yeah for sure i i remember it

1801
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,240
vividly the feelings and everything and

1802
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,160
yeah it was incredible remember when we

1803
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,799
left to go up ahoy i that that i

1804
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:48,079
certainly was i was getting quite

1805
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,000
paranoid because i saw dan gone off with

1806
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,319
91 that he does like a spring lamb up

1807
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,240
with hell and then

1808
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,319
the dogs are going so fast

1809
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,960
george pummels past vinnie and i and i

1810
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:01,119
saw jess go in a pace and vinnie and i

1811
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,720
were kind of like this we're taking a

1812
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:04,960
while to call them climatize here

1813
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,520
and i bet you maybe vinnie was a hundred

1814
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,599
hundred meters further we came around

1815
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:11,599
the corner and jesh was like a starfish

1816
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,029
um jt parker says without coca leaves

1817
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:22,960
i'm going to hold my hands up and say

1818
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,520
i did have some coca leaves to help help

1819
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,319
me up so i'm going to say that now yeah

1820
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,480
yeah again it gave you headspace and and

1821
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,400
it really kind of it was like having an

1822
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:34,160
energy drink but without any of that

1823
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,200
kind of

1824
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,039
downside that comes after you've had too

1825
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:39,039
many of them you know you're shaking and

1826
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,640
the hummingbird's wings are going slow

1827
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,119
for you um yeah you didn't get any of

1828
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,079
that stuff it just kind of gave you a a

1829
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:49,200
little yeah like a one energy drink

1830
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,920
so and just so we don't get any

1831
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:54,000
ridiculous comments we should say quick

1832
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,200
that the

1833
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:57,760
the the coca leaf

1834
01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:00,319
when it's digested it obviously expands

1835
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:02,079
the lungs it gives you more you can

1836
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,880
metabolize oxygen easier but and it's as

1837
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,119
close to cocaine as perhaps

1838
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,280
the fluoride and toothpaste will hurt

1839
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:11,599
you you know it's it's just not the same

1840
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:14,079
thing it's a completely different thing

1841
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,960
and again

1842
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,960
jay allen raises a good point here to a

1843
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:18,640
degree says personally i would avoid

1844
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,319
discussing the substances that were

1845
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,239
available or used during this

1846
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,239
exploration it's inevitable that a

1847
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:26,960
skeptic will say these are induced

1848
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:29,759
phenomena and i i see that point but

1849
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,630
i i was just going to say i would

1850
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,920
emphasize that

1851
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,239
like we were aware of that and no point

1852
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:40,080
in this are you gonna hear us say we

1853
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,440
took this and then we saw that and

1854
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:44,239
therefore that was real like you no just

1855
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,239
no we we didn't go there and i totally

1856
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,319
appreciate that yeah that's a good point

1857
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,719
definitely yeah you guys know you guys

1858
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,719
might is the guy let's this is my answer

1859
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,279
to this one i've got to chip this in is

1860
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,000
if we were to suggest those things

1861
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,080
we would have to listen to you but i

1862
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:01,920
would immediately ask you to tell me how

1863
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,359
then a canon 5d gets affected

1864
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:07,120
i mean canon 5ds if you put mushrooms

1865
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,990
yeah

1866
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,080
lenses

1867
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,799
these guys would not bother with us um

1868
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:18,239
if we were

1869
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,520
we were we were extremely lucky to

1870
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,600
have some time

1871
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,640
with uh luis elizondo and sean cahill

1872
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,799
who we were doing investigations we were

1873
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,239
out there so we literally thought to

1874
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,759
present them with some ideas with some

1875
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,359
things we were looking at and kind of go

1876
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,600
you know help what would you guys do if

1877
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:36,960
you were here how would you investigate

1878
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,679
this and just being told a few pointers

1879
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,520
on that from you know

1880
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:43,520
the guy that ran at like that's pretty

1881
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,880
cool

1882
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,640
you know what's gonna happen you guys

1883
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,400
aren't even going to be on the dvd cover

1884
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,239
for this it's just going to be this

1885
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,870
feature featuring louis

1886
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,400
and sean cahill and then at the bottom

1887
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,520
it's got us yeah that's cool

1888
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,600
it was great both sean and lou they you

1889
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,040
know they're very experienced these are

1890
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,040
unidentified that they both go and

1891
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:07,199
gather i guess what we would call human

1892
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:10,480
um just talking to people um

1893
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,600
around guadalupe and catalina so yeah

1894
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,960
they've done this before and they were

1895
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,880
able to kind of give us a few pointers

1896
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,960
um yeah one one of the things that was

1897
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,560
recommended that i didn't expect was

1898
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,640
that lou recommended we talked to

1899
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,600
priests um because in these areas of the

1900
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,239
world this this is the

1901
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,480
the kind of person that will be confided

1902
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,719
in by the locals um and i just thought

1903
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,080
oh yeah of course that's that's a

1904
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:36,080
brilliant idea and it didn't even occur

1905
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,520
to me so

1906
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,880
you know remember you you don't always

1907
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,000
know everything you need to know before

1908
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,080
you start investigating so someone can

1909
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,679
just throw a great idea into the mix

1910
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,679
i think the good thing about this for me

1911
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:48,960
was this was midway through the

1912
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:50,640
investigation as well when we spoke to

1913
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,199
lou and sean and it kind of not that we

1914
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,840
needed it but it certainly was a boost

1915
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,920
to show that the things that we were

1916
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,760
telling them that we'd done

1917
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:02,159
were you know they were telling us

1918
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,280
you're doing the right thing you're

1919
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,040
going in the right directions with this

1920
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,120
investigation and yeah they added a

1921
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,560
couple of things on to what we hadn't

1922
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,560
done but yeah it was it was a real boost

1923
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:12,880
for me personally

1924
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,520
and as a filmmaker yeah i mean come on

1925
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,800
think of what it was for me when you

1926
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:18,560
said listen guess what we're doing today

1927
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,030
yeah

1928
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,640
they they probably gave us their time

1929
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,400
you know it was uh

1930
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:28,080
i planned this for a while out and i

1931
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,280
wouldn't tell ashley who we were

1932
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,280
speaking to i just had a good chunk of

1933
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,960
time and something was going to be

1934
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,400
happening and it was it was amazing to

1935
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,159
gather the group and introduce lou and

1936
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:38,239
sean to walter and

1937
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:42,080
lydia and uh you know uh jash and

1938
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,560
they're you and ash and you you guys

1939
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,560
have all picked up conversation and i i

1940
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,120
feel like i built a useful bridge there

1941
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,840
um certainly walter and lou felt like

1942
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,880
they started talking a different

1943
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,800
language to each other

1944
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,480
you were talking like in intelligence

1945
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,080
terms and

1946
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,239
yeah it was just oh okay

1947
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,000
you know you you guys clearly know each

1948
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,400
other from this it's like a secret yeah

1949
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:06,640
we quite clearly knew quite quickly that

1950
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,229
yeah

1951
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,080
you'll see these two out these were just

1952
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,920
the video updates that um vimy and i

1953
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,159
were putting up um i'm happy if people

1954
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,239
want to to just cut all these together

1955
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,800
and check them up on youtube um so you

1956
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:27,040
can watch them um but you if you've

1957
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,640
listened to the audio kind of updates

1958
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,920
that we did and watched the instagram

1959
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,280
updates since we went you would have

1960
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,640
seen these but we will put them

1961
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,920
somewhere for you

1962
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,840
yeah there's some on my instagram and

1963
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:38,239
there's some on that ufo podcast

1964
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,760
audio

1965
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:41,679
you'll be dropping them large closer to

1966
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:43,690
them

1967
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:43,760
[Music]

1968
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,520
[Laughter]

1969
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,440
right who wants to tell the story

1970
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:51,679
because i'm not doing it

1971
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,960
i think ashton he tells it so well

1972
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,280
right how does it start it starts with

1973
01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:59,600
it starts after that it starts after

1974
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,159
i'll i'll sorry i'll chime in

1975
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:04,880
so that conversation with uh lou and

1976
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,080
sean was on the saturday afternoon

1977
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,640
and on the saturday evening we were

1978
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:11,920
hosting

1979
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,920
guests so locals witnesses for a kind of

1980
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,480
a barbecue in a party weren't we so i

1981
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:20,159
started drinking quite

1982
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:21,520
quite early

1983
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,159
you did start drinking quitting

1984
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,320
that's what i'm saying he didn't start

1985
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,000
drinking early so he started drinking a

1986
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,239
lot really early and

1987
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,000
what was happening was these folk

1988
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:34,159
latinos not very many of them with

1989
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,280
english were there and there was like

1990
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,120
quite a cult them and us thinking on and

1991
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,760
i thought a couple of wines and will all

1992
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,520
come together so

1993
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,440
i'm sitting behind bushes filming

1994
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,960
everyone chatting close-ups and

1995
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,480
everything and i scan through this bush

1996
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,480
and i get to vinnie and he's looking a

1997
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,159
bit worse for the wear the hoodies up

1998
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,560
and the heads down and he is

1999
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,960
right into this piece of sweet

2000
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:56,719
solely beachy music and everyone was

2001
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,840
loving it and the next thing it's like

2002
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:01,840
the gates of hell opened he dropped a

2003
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,360
drum and bass number right

2004
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,960
camera lens i could see this woman

2005
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,320
putting her lipstick and stuff in the

2006
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:10,400
bag standing up and moving and i touched

2007
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:11,760
vinny and then elbow and said vinnie

2008
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,320
you're clearing the party out here and

2009
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:16,000
he's like wait for it wait for it wait

2010
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:17,440
for it and i did i thought let's see

2011
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,159
where this goes and the biggest dmv

2012
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,800
clangers started coming and dan and i

2013
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,400
were just

2014
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:26,480
broken laughing watching this

2015
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,709
it was in that moment that ashley dubbed

2016
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,280
this character dj disclosure which i

2017
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,920
thought was just wonderful uh we we need

2018
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,920
to get vinnie's logo and change it up so

2019
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,440
it just says dj

2020
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:45,840
that'll be an amazing t-shirt it seems

2021
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,920
to happen once and every [\h__\h] because we

2022
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:49,920
experienced something similar only two

2023
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:52,000
weeks ago didn't we

2024
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,159
yeah we did uh we did um but it's lovely

2025
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,000
it's like vinnie's always so happy in

2026
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,080
those moments it's never like you know i

2027
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:02,320
said to my mom i said he's not there's

2028
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,239
no aggro i said he turns into the big

2029
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,080
cuddly life advice guy when he gets

2030
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:08,400
drunk

2031
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:11,199
that was vibing man

2032
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,840
wants to see it

2033
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,600
we do we could do that at christmas we

2034
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,440
have enough of any now

2035
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:19,520
you know right

2036
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:21,199
every three minute christmas special

2037
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,560
maybe do it for your fundraiser see if

2038
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,080
we can drop see if you can make some

2039
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,320
money from this fundraiser with that

2040
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:28,239
dude we'll put we'll put dj disclosure

2041
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,149
patreon

2042
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,760
if you want to see the good [\h__\h] you got

2043
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,159
to pay for it i'm kidding of course you

2044
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:41,040
know people take that [\h__\h] seriously but

2045
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,000
yeah

2046
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,560
the world's not ready for dj disclosure

2047
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,560
not yet but you know we're moving

2048
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,149
i'm just seeing if i can find very

2049
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:53,840
quickly

2050
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,880
i'm just going to give a quick shout out

2051
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,480
to everybody in the live chat for being

2052
01:16:02,790 --> 01:15:58,080
here

2053
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,590
don't do

2054
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,070
there you it

2055
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:08,159
that's enough of that but just a little

2056
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,679
a little trick for you

2057
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,360
it was a cracking social night the guys

2058
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,040
wasn't it just like 30 40 vlogging it

2059
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,880
was amazing i went through we had people

2060
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,120
giving us stories witnesses counts

2061
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,880
people telling us you know we remember

2062
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:20,480
that guy that was there miguel whose

2063
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,840
grandfather

2064
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,080
funded a governmental scientific

2065
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:27,120
exploration wiki in the 60s yeah

2066
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,640
that's the thing you know

2067
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,640
that that's what i you know yeah i'd had

2068
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,080
a couple of wines but we still got some

2069
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,760
good interviews done we got some footage

2070
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,360
and stuff and the stories we were

2071
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:37,920
hearing ranged from scientific stuff

2072
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,480
like you just mentioned us ash too

2073
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,960
also people telling us stories of ufos

2074
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,560
landing on the mountain and things like

2075
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:45,679
that it was

2076
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,320
it was crazy so in a way remember the

2077
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:50,640
lake they landed the land appeared to

2078
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,800
land so often in a lagoon at the top and

2079
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,560
then take off that they

2080
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,520
they took geologists up climatologists

2081
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,640
trying to figure out what this

2082
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:00,800
phenomenon was so yeah isn't it

2083
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,880
wonderful it's like we didn't

2084
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,400
as i said there's so many people have to

2085
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,480
scrape a barrel to fill the documentary

2086
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,920
but we've got the biggest problem is

2087
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:09,360
what's going to not be used i mean

2088
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:12,719
there's just endless accounts of this

2089
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,800
too much yeah and

2090
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,480
this is the next day which i didn't

2091
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:18,000
quite make i was feeling a bit worse

2092
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:18,960
aware

2093
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,840
so

2094
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,520
dan if you if you guys want to talk

2095
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:22,960
about this i'm going to take a bathroom

2096
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,360
break i'll be back in a minute yeah for

2097
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:27,440
sure um actually

2098
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,640
do you want to take the lead as i kind

2099
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,800
of just go through the photos here

2100
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,239
explain

2101
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,040
where we are um and especially

2102
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,719
remember to mention because this really

2103
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,239
sat with me

2104
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:40,960
we were asked to take something there

2105
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,120
and we did and then it

2106
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,280
you know they it kind of turned around

2107
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,520
on us in a very kind way uh so if you if

2108
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:48,880
you know what i'm on about if you don't

2109
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:51,520
i will jump in with it but

2110
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,880
let me try to think what you're telling

2111
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:54,960
taking there we were asked to we were

2112
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:57,600
asked to yeah pick up some items to take

2113
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:00,800
oh yeah so let's do this let's do this

2114
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,840
we the chap you can see the this so this

2115
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,000
is me with my back to you and the person

2116
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,000
who's sitting center screen his name is

2117
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:10,000
kandil mavenchy

2118
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,159
can deal my manche and i'm sure a lot of

2119
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,920
listeners that can have seen and know of

2120
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,679
lake guatevita

2121
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,120
the circular

2122
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,600
lake in in central columbia that served

2123
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,120
as a center of

2124
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,040
alchemists early

2125
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:25,440
13th century goldsmiths were making all

2126
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,239
these fine intricate pieces of moiska

2127
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,560
gold art through the lost wax gold

2128
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:31,679
process

2129
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:34,960
he

2130
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:38,800
who

2131
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:40,880
is the keeper of the myths the legends

2132
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,640
the medicine the ways of the growing

2133
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:47,199
he he

2134
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:49,600
we appealed him to come and film in the

2135
01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:52,000
guadavida community who not very many

2136
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,360
people ever get access to this is

2137
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:56,800
exceptionally sacred land and has been

2138
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:58,960
for thousands of years

2139
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:00,800
he insisted that

2140
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:03,840
he would love to use phenomenology as a

2141
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:06,800
as a way of sharing his experiences with

2142
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:09,840
light phenomenon and ancestral reports

2143
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,440
of light phenomenon

2144
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,679
and he insisted that to do that we would

2145
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:16,080
bring him

2146
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:17,520
three

2147
01:19:20,830 --> 01:19:19,760
tubes of salchicha

2148
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:20,840
pork

2149
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:24,480
sausage a loaf of bread

2150
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:25,679
and that we

2151
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,560
would help him with a project that day

2152
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,640
so we said yes to all three we got

2153
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,480
ourselves the sausages we got ourselves

2154
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:34,239
the bread which we thought was pretty

2155
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,120
humble not a lot to film

2156
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:40,080
in a sacred community with the guatevita

2157
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:41,920
and people

2158
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,360
and then we got there down right

2159
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:45,679
remember what happened

2160
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,679
he showed us this

2161
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,239
i don't know maybe a two by three meter

2162
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,400
square looking

2163
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:54,480
hole in the ground that was filled with

2164
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,040
clay tarry sludge

2165
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,679
they looked as eight gringos standing in

2166
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:01,280
a line not knowing where we were and

2167
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:02,640
they said

2168
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:06,400
if you move that mud

2169
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,080
down there so we can lay a clay

2170
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,719
foundation for another temple

2171
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,400
will be good to film

2172
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,080
so look we all had to get our sleeves

2173
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:16,880
rolled up and we excavated using buckets

2174
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:18,639
and our bare hands

2175
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:20,639
i reckon

2176
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,920
two tons

2177
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,480
of mud and water from their well we

2178
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,040
essentially created them a well a fresh

2179
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,120
water well for the community

2180
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,120
so it was three sausages loaf of bread

2181
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,520
and about two hours of hardcore dirty

2182
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,360
work wasn't it

2183
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:38,159
yeah it was um it was amazing though

2184
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:39,360
it was

2185
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:44,470
bear with me i've just lost my second

2186
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,239
screen i'll keep telling them what's

2187
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:48,000
going on here because yeah

2188
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,360
give me a second

2189
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:51,280
yeah indeed the guacaveta community

2190
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:57,030
they they don't work on an economic

2191
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,400
currency the way they do they wouldn't

2192
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,480
accept they don't accept cash cash means

2193
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,560
nothing to them so what really really

2194
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:04,480
matters is people that are care enough

2195
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,639
to actually go and sweat a bit and use

2196
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:09,040
their bodies and apply themselves and

2197
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,600
so we we we took a lot to the community

2198
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,560
that day and we then had this wonderful

2199
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:17,040
lunch with them outside in the sun

2200
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,639
after doing the work and then we went in

2201
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,639
and recorded this

2202
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:22,560
i would say an hour and a half interview

2203
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,920
with can deal

2204
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,080
that's ranged from everything from i'm

2205
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:27,679
gonna use the term guys we're not seeing

2206
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,679
it in the phenomenon documentary but i'm

2207
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,679
going to say it here

2208
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:33,440
we kind of

2209
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,159
upgraded ancient aliens it's what we did

2210
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,440
we talked about uap in the ancient world

2211
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,080
but within the mythology of the moisk

2212
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,080
and chieftai people and that's never

2213
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,320
been publicized before their mythologies

2214
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,760
have never been heard

2215
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,920
but candeal being in his 40s took us all

2216
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,520
the way through to modern sightings that

2217
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:54,080
he's had himself near bogota and around

2218
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:55,600
the valley

2219
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:58,000
so we just we invested a bit

2220
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,040
time

2221
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,800
and as a team and applied ourselves

2222
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:02,880
because we're on average much taller

2223
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,120
than they are we can more move move more

2224
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:06,719
mad in an hour than they could perhaps

2225
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,679
could do with four of them in a month

2226
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,600
but the rewards were many i mean guys

2227
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:14,080
what we've what that guy told us

2228
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,199
what he's

2229
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:18,159
publicly saying he sees and saw

2230
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,520
let's use some keywords without

2231
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:21,280
divulging too much

2232
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:22,840
he talks about

2233
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,320
spheres in the sky

2234
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:32,159
when they're all put into context with

2235
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,480
the phenomenon that we're seeing he

2236
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:37,120
he colours our investigation from an

2237
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,800
ancient ancestral perspective which is

2238
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,199
so much better coming from the people

2239
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:46,400
than from a historian you know like me

2240
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:47,280
so

2241
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,960
that's what we got from them we had this

2242
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,000
total

2243
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,239
balance we worked brought along enough

2244
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,560
for lunch and we left and they had a

2245
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:57,360
fresh water well and have shared their

2246
01:23:01,189 --> 01:23:00,000
their indigenous time-warned stories

2247
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,199
with the rest of the world through

2248
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:04,080
phenomenology it's the ultimate win-win

2249
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,600
i'm just going to jump in and guys and

2250
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,440
say i'd like

2251
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:09,520
to introduce everyone

2252
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,510
walter in the house oh my gosh

2253
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,159
look at that how are you guys doing hold

2254
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:23,040
on can we can we take this window

2255
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,030
i just want to let everybody know that's

2256
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,600
watching this i have never been around

2257
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:34,480
three guys that are so great three guys

2258
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,760
that work so well together um

2259
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,679
i i really owe it all to ashley because

2260
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,679
he put these personalities together and

2261
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,880
uh we all come from different

2262
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,159
backgrounds

2263
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,760
so uh this uh

2264
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:47,120
this is gonna be pretty impressive when

2265
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,639
you guys see what ashley's put together

2266
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:50,159
i think we're going to open up a lot of

2267
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:51,520
eyes people are going to be very very

2268
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,639
interested in what's going on they want

2269
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,080
to see more they're going to want more i

2270
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:56,239
guarantee you

2271
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:57,120
yes

2272
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:02,070
so

2273
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,520
ashley's trick is he puts people

2274
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,880
together that he knows he'll say good

2275
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,560
[\h__\h] about actually it's all about me

2276
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,470
well where'd it well done

2277
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,709
so walter this is great to see y'all we

2278
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,639
we're just at the we've we've already

2279
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,560
invented the world and we're where are

2280
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:20,480
we we're in we've just left guatevita

2281
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,639
the remember the moisture ritual we did

2282
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,840
yep

2283
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:26,800
that's right with walter you you oversaw

2284
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:35,750
his hands dirty you know oh the oh yeah

2285
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,000
the the fire brigade absolutely the fire

2286
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,000
brigade that's it works harder not

2287
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:42,080
harder brother we got it hey man you're

2288
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,000
right we did we got it done yeah you are

2289
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:45,760
absolutely right yeah like i said in

2290
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,120
that chat room um this was a uh

2291
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:51,199
it was it was it was crazy just to step

2292
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,239
back and just look at it from the

2293
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,080
perspective that i was at yeah you guys

2294
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,920
were doing more of the lifting but i

2295
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:57,600
looked at everybody and i just i just

2296
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,360
reflected a little bit and i said to

2297
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,639
myself

2298
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,440
this is it this is a community you don't

2299
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:05,600
have to have much you don't have to do

2300
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,080
much but really what you need to do

2301
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:09,679
is kind of do it to better do it

2302
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,199
together i mean

2303
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,440
it's it is a soulful community in my

2304
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:15,920
opinion it really was

2305
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,920
it was it got it was better when we're

2306
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:19,199
all together you know let's be really

2307
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,400
honest here we live in this

2308
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,560
exceptionally touchy world when it comes

2309
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:24,560
to the color of our skin

2310
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,520
and

2311
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,920
for it to be further to be such

2312
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,000
a non-questioned

2313
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,639
human team working together with not a

2314
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,800
single thing between us no media no

2315
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,800
[\h__\h] narratives it was such a

2316
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,400
refreshing

2317
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,480
cleansing day to see

2318
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,239
that the differences we may perceive

2319
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,880
between us are completely taught to us

2320
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:46,880
by our media institutions it was

2321
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,950
i i think out of all that

2322
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,679
i'm i'm not a uh i'm not a social kind

2323
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:57,520
of guy i'm waiting

2324
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,800
i'm pretty closed you know but um that

2325
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,400
was probably the best that was probably

2326
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:04,320
the best the best time i had was just

2327
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,040
doing that little bit of work it just

2328
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,520
i guess if i just kind of refurb my

2329
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,600
reconfirm my faith in humanity it's like

2330
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,520
hey we're still good we're still on

2331
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:15,920
track this will be all right

2332
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,600
and what was beautiful and what it

2333
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,199
really comes through in the film is you

2334
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:21,840
know lydia's in her 70s she came up she

2335
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:24,080
climbed up that really steep hill to get

2336
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:25,360
there and she

2337
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:27,360
well the guys were all taken to dig out

2338
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,400
the well

2339
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,320
the woman have their own moon temple

2340
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:32,239
that the men are allowed nowhere near so

2341
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,120
lydia and 91 and nadi dos they went out

2342
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,960
and helped sweep out a moon temple and

2343
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,320
get it cleared for the woman's

2344
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,120
ceremonies as we were cleaning out the

2345
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:42,960
the ditch with the males of the

2346
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,600
community and then we all came together

2347
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,480
for the ritual in the main sun temple

2348
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,000
and there was just this as you said

2349
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,840
water like do you not remember i was

2350
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:54,320
about an hour into the working after 20

2351
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,000
minutes into working

2352
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,760
and i panicked a little bit and got

2353
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,280
anxious because i thought

2354
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:01,760
this is completely off-piste this is not

2355
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,000
a plan this is not i don't you know this

2356
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,960
is all just happening as it happens so

2357
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,880
it's true documentary in a lot of ways

2358
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:10,639
because we're just documenting stuff

2359
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,679
that occurred as we got into situations

2360
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,440
and i'd let go then we didn't even put

2361
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:17,440
the camera on we just all got working

2362
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:19,520
and got mucky because it was beyond the

2363
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,080
film for quite a while do you know yep

2364
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,159
you know you know what actually um dan

2365
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,400
says something in the uh the rough cuts

2366
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,480
that i think vinnie's gonna show later

2367
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,480
that 100

2368
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,400
supports what you just said

2369
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,639
and that is a lot of this it's about the

2370
01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,800
culture it's about their perspective and

2371
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,040
the phenomenon it's not i believe it was

2372
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:41,199
either dan or vinnie that said it's not

2373
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,960
so much

2374
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,120
right now what are the lights but how

2375
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,840
are people perceiving the lights what is

2376
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,480
your interpretation of the lights

2377
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,080
we'll get to the facts the facts will

2378
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,080
always reveal themselves in the end you

2379
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,320
everyone knows that but let's get let's

2380
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,920
let's get to the the background the

2381
01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:00,320
culture the uh the history of all this

2382
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,520
stuff first

2383
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:03,199
that's right

2384
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,800
i think there's a great impetus just now

2385
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,480
you hear lots of people saying i want

2386
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,239
data data data data and that's

2387
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,560
absolutely called for however

2388
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:12,320
if you think you can strip the person

2389
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:15,040
out of the eyewitness your bananas

2390
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:15,760
you

2391
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,000
the people's interpretation of what they

2392
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:20,560
see is as interesting as what it perhaps

2393
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,520
is that they are seeing

2394
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:26,000
that's really well said yeah totally

2395
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:27,600
well said

2396
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,199
all right can we should we jump back

2397
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,800
into the photos because we're probably

2398
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,560
just entering that we're just just

2399
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,639
entering week two i'm just cautious of

2400
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:36,560
the time we're an hour and a half in we

2401
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,000
are so

2402
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:39,920
this is literally the team photo before

2403
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:43,120
we head up waka to the peak

2404
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:44,639
so i'll just kind of run through these

2405
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,040
as you want to talk about it but yeah we

2406
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:49,280
we were all kind of

2407
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:50,560
i mean

2408
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:54,159
our meter there the the little dog um

2409
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,239
was probably the fittest of us all i

2410
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,080
would say just up and down and up and

2411
01:29:03,110 --> 01:28:59,840
down and up and down and all of us had

2412
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,120
to kind of try and keep up with them

2413
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:05,760
almeida the name of the dog means so an

2414
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:08,320
alma is a soul so it's kind of oh your

2415
01:29:12,149 --> 01:29:09,360
little

2416
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:12,159
it's a weasel

2417
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:13,360
there he is

2418
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:16,560
this is me just completely out of breath

2419
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,600
the air was so thin it was unbelievable

2420
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:21,679
i mean i'm not the fittest dude but i'm

2421
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,199
certainly not the most unfit dude either

2422
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:27,199
very few people make it up that high

2423
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,800
each year most people can't even come to

2424
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:30,320
bogota you know if you've had a stroke

2425
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,080
or a heart attack you can't live where

2426
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,800
we filmed because the air is so thin

2427
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,719
yeah and it wasn't just pathways you

2428
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,480
know the work there was climbing as well

2429
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:40,800
it wasn't just a straightforward walk up

2430
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:42,960
a steep path or anything it was it was

2431
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,159
intense man well that's real vinnie um

2432
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,440
the the times result like 12 inch to 12

2433
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:51,679
inches wide a foot wide at best

2434
01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:57,030
well walter and i had 10 days

2435
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,360
of comparative knee injury analysis

2436
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,800
[Laughter]

2437
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,960
and getting old every night we were like

2438
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,400
look at the size of yours oh mine's a

2439
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:08,080
little bit wait dan just go back on that

2440
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:10,000
one before because like look at that you

2441
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:11,679
know you had to climb up so many things

2442
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:13,040
yeah you literally had to climb up that

2443
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,040
that was just the path wasn't it and you

2444
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:16,880
can still see on that that shot there

2445
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:18,400
you can still see the background there's

2446
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,120
still

2447
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:21,199
there's no sky there's a lot of climbing

2448
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,600
to do and it was a bit of that a bit of

2449
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:25,840
rock a bit of pathway it was it was

2450
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,920
brutal so you're saying three hours

2451
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:29,520
let's put this in context because people

2452
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,040
are hearing three hours to get up there

2453
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:33,199
so hang on it took you a day and a half

2454
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:36,159
to get to the andes to start with

2455
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,760
then it took us an hour to get to the

2456
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,199
mountain it took us three hours to get

2457
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,360
out but let's bear in mind it's only 900

2458
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,000
meters a cent so it took us three hours

2459
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:47,199
to do 900 meters you're looking at an

2460
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:50,400
average incline of about 15 degrees

2461
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:51,920
that's hard

2462
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,960
yeah totally man it was intense

2463
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,600
this was right on the tip of i have a

2464
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:59,679
thing basically i'm scared of heights

2465
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,600
and i know that when my brain is

2466
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:03,360
tripping out because of that that it's

2467
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,560
just it's kind of rational so

2468
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,960
behind me there is kind of a the sheer

2469
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:10,320
draft that vinnie was talking about

2470
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,080
earlier um

2471
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:14,159
and i'm kind of sat right on the peak

2472
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,239
and i was just letting my brain fritz

2473
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:18,320
out and kind of tell panic but no

2474
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:20,000
knowing that i was safe

2475
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,560
um there but it turns out actually that

2476
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:24,800
actually the point that i was sat at or

2477
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:27,360
the mirador was was used for i mean

2478
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,719
there's a bit of history do you want to

2479
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:30,560
just tell us

2480
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:32,639
the first recorded legend that

2481
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:34,639
definitely comes from the late 17th

2482
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:37,320
century you see you're looking at

2483
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:40,080
1660s this was recorded that

2484
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,080
when the conquistadors heaviness casada

2485
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:44,400
turned up there in 1537

2486
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:47,440
him and 188 spanish knights drove the

2487
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:51,040
last 400 kazakhs tribal leaders of the

2488
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:54,800
moiska to the top of la penada waika

2489
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,040
in an effort to conceal the whereabouts

2490
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:58,800
of their treasures known today as el

2491
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:01,920
dorado the last 400 moiskas threw

2492
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:04,159
themselves off this rock

2493
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,679
they committed suicide there and of

2494
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:07,760
course the indigenous people of the

2495
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:09,360
valley today believe this light

2496
01:32:15,830 --> 01:32:11,920
phenomenon are the souls of the perished

2497
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:15,840
400 last moyskis dan is sitting on that

2498
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,800
spot where the leap occurred

2499
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:20,639
yeah that was

2500
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,719
like i said there was a real kind of

2501
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:24,320
weight to these places i think i said to

2502
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:25,520
you at one point it felt like walking

2503
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:28,400
into a cathedral and

2504
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,159
hearing that that was the spot that i

2505
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:32,639
chose to say and you know there was

2506
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:34,000
while i was thinking about the history

2507
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:36,080
and so on so forth it was very potent

2508
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:37,440
moment for me

2509
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,480
i filmed you meditating on most hilltops

2510
01:32:45,370 --> 01:32:42,159
and i was going to call you buddha but

2511
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,380
look at you let's call you buddha light

2512
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:47,280
[Laughter]

2513
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:48,719
so dan how are you still afraid of

2514
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:50,000
heights or did you

2515
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:50,960
maybe

2516
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:53,040
or something there just curious

2517
01:32:57,110 --> 01:32:54,800
i'm still afraid of them but i

2518
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:57,120
understand it's a rational fear so i can

2519
01:32:59,910 --> 01:32:58,560
kind of play with it a little bit more

2520
01:33:02,149 --> 01:32:59,920
um

2521
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,159
i love climbing i'm not such a fan of

2522
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:04,800
abseiling but i'm fine doing either

2523
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,880
coming back from colombia my my fear of

2524
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:08,800
heights might

2525
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:10,239
i'd get that uncomfortable during

2526
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,800
turbulence and now i seem fine so i

2527
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,159
don't know if it was that bumpy landing

2528
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:16,000
maybe but um

2529
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:18,080
but yeah i certainly have learned to

2530
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:19,520
kind of temper it over the years and i

2531
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,320
recognize it for it is so yeah it's it's

2532
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:23,920
an interesting experience to feel the

2533
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,679
mechanism kick in and my brain say you

2534
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:27,600
know just panic even when i'm safe

2535
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,480
good

2536
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:31,280
you got that out of it i mean that's

2537
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:32,800
good experiences

2538
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:35,040
yeah yeah absolutely

2539
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:42,629
this was so i'm kind of talking through

2540
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:44,080
this but that's not why i'm showing you

2541
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:45,920
i just wanted you guys to kind of see

2542
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:53,590
it was it's stunning for you i mean

2543
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,360
i'm going to see that tomorrow guys it's

2544
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,800
bizarre being in the highlands of

2545
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:58,560
scotland just now and knowing that this

2546
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:01,280
i'm going to see this in about 4 20 32

2547
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:02,560
hours

2548
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:04,159
one thing i want to point out is the

2549
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:06,000
thickness of the

2550
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,360
you know the trees and the bushes and

2551
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:09,280
everything you can see across there is

2552
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,920
when these lights are seen

2553
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,679
and some people might explain them as

2554
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:15,840
hikers torches they would not shine

2555
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:17,679
through these kind of thick overgrowths

2556
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,719
and stuff

2557
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:20,000
i just wanted to put that out there

2558
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:21,280
because

2559
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:24,000
yeah from really important point it is

2560
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:27,520
and that totally gets covered because

2561
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:28,960
you'd see flickers

2562
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:31,199
you know a hand torch would would be you

2563
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:34,639
know a good torch might be okay this big

2564
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:36,080
putting out a good light but these

2565
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:38,159
lights are seen that are like 50 foot in

2566
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:39,520
diameter

2567
01:34:43,910 --> 01:34:42,000
that's right from the base of the light

2568
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:43,920
let alone the light they put out when it

2569
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,159
spreads out into the sky these are big

2570
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,480
bright strange

2571
01:34:52,149 --> 01:34:50,480
lights that are seen on that mountain on

2572
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:52,159
the flat face

2573
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,119
where

2574
01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:55,440
nobody can actually physically get to

2575
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,679
that's right this is underneath where

2576
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,920
the the moisture the 400 moisture that

2577
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:01,600
actually was talking about where they

2578
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:03,360
committed suicide

2579
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:05,679
these lights are coming from below that

2580
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:07,760
where it's just a flat face that these

2581
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:11,199
lights are emanating massively so

2582
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,159
you know

2583
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:14,239
to add a little texture i was just gonna

2584
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:17,679
say at the top there was um

2585
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,639
a little charcoal fire and

2586
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,000
people might know me for some of the out

2587
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:23,920
there i do but basically that i felt

2588
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,199
compelled to kind of grab a bit of

2589
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:27,840
charcoal and just drew while at the peak

2590
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,719
with the charcoal the peak um you can

2591
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,159
see the i'm not sure if you can see the

2592
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:34,800
mirror door on there but i gathered two

2593
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,560
flowers from either side of the valley

2594
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:38,159
as well and they're kind of flattened in

2595
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:39,119
the

2596
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,639
experience for

2597
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,400
for me to feel that and

2598
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:46,480
to capture that moment in that little

2599
01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,239
picture there

2600
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:50,960
that's awesome it's fantastic to see all

2601
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,480
these things again that we saw and

2602
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:54,480
experience see there's the this is

2603
01:35:58,350 --> 01:35:55,760
called a sub

2604
01:36:01,510 --> 01:35:58,360
plant when you get above

2605
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,520
9100 feet there's such a dramatic change

2606
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:02,800
in the climate that you start getting

2607
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,960
these bizarre almost jurassic looking

2608
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:06,480
thorny plants

2609
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,800
and it because it's called the subparamo

2610
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:10,719
paramo becomes a completely different

2611
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:12,400
world but we were up there in the sub

2612
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,920
paramore

2613
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:16,000
you can see the change in vegetation as

2614
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:17,679
we climb higher up the mountain it's

2615
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:19,679
quite interesting for anybody that's

2616
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:22,000
into the natural world that's the thing

2617
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,840
with

2618
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:25,280
phenomenology we're not talking so much

2619
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,239
about

2620
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:28,320
little green fellows as much as we are

2621
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:30,719
about climatology geology

2622
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:33,760
light the change of light you know it's

2623
01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:35,840
quite down to earth if you if i could

2624
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:38,400
use that term

2625
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:45,030
yeah definitely i i will play one video

2626
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,600
here just because this was the basically

2627
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:50,400
just gotten back down everyone kind of

2628
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,520
went to their rooms to kind of

2629
01:36:55,340 --> 01:36:54,719
recover

2630
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:55,350
die

2631
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,119
[Laughter]

2632
01:37:04,550 --> 01:36:59,280
and there was just this like lovely

2633
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:06,470
would you buy those flip-flops to match

2634
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,920
the chair of the chair to match the

2635
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:09,600
flip-flops

2636
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,070
so it was just raining and i was just

2637
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:18,400
outside reading the book and it it so

2638
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,159
happened that exactly where i was was

2639
01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,840
the only dry patch outside so i just

2640
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:23,520
kind of sat there as it rained around me

2641
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:24,239
and

2642
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,560
literally during this trip i went from

2643
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:36,800
sea level to about ten thousand uh feet

2644
01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:37,840
um

2645
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:42,000
to see how my lungs were and whether

2646
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:43,679
whether i was fit or not and it was just

2647
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:45,520
yeah there was definitely a moment here

2648
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,119
for me where i was just considering how

2649
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:49,280
far vinnie and i had come literally

2650
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,000
across the world and yeah again

2651
01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:56,790
that there represents the highest

2652
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:58,639
mountain in canada america which is the

2653
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:01,760
largest department in colombia it's the

2654
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,480
highest rise for 280 kilometers

2655
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,639
it does represent uh

2656
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:09,040
the closest point to the gods

2657
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:16,390
yeah

2658
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,440
that was a good day

2659
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:25,199
a good you know the accomplishment i

2660
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:27,040
think i found okay i'm going to skip

2661
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:28,800
what i was going to say look this is

2662
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:32,790
yeah i love you like yeah the profound

2663
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:34,400
mountain trip and then the pizza comes

2664
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:37,520
on and you're just like oh my god

2665
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,920
the pizza oh my god was insane hey there

2666
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:44,480
was some pretty good food well i was

2667
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:47,199
very advanced i was very adventurous i

2668
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,719
was very adventurous with the food we

2669
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,400
had a lot of uh

2670
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:52,560
locally cooked stuff but when when the

2671
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:56,000
pizza came out i was smoked

2672
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,920
yeah you get a bit i don't know you guys

2673
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,600
are all into these colombian soups that

2674
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,199
i have issues with you know you get a

2675
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,360
soup and i'm looking for a cream of

2676
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,760
chicken something safe and you'll find

2677
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,600
like half of an animal in your soup

2678
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,320
right on the boat

2679
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,040
actually here's a good point here gospel

2680
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:14,639
says i've read about a phenomena called

2681
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:16,719
earth lights which are similar to ball

2682
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,960
lightning but created by the pressure of

2683
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:21,119
tectonic plates is this a possibility

2684
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,470
who's going to say yes first well it is

2685
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,600
of course it is

2686
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:30,320
absolutely it is but i i just point out

2687
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:31,119
that

2688
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,920
the the idea of tectonic plates causing

2689
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,400
lights is a for debate whether that's

2690
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,719
what is causing these things um there's

2691
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,320
some ideas there's we're getting better

2692
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,080
video of it and we're kind of getting to

2693
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,400
a point where we might be able to start

2694
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:47,040
trying to understand it but certainly a

2695
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:48,800
correlation between

2696
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:51,280
between active tectonic plates and these

2697
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,280
lights doesn't necessarily ring true if

2698
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:54,960
you look at where these tectonic plates

2699
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,719
are but they're absolutely right to

2700
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,960
point out this phenomena because yeah it

2701
01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,639
is it is similar um

2702
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:01,840
and

2703
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:06,159
the long dale valley

2704
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:07,520
and they have similar ones but they also

2705
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,280
have uap reports so there's a lot of

2706
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:12,159
crossover between these uh phenomena so

2707
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:14,000
yeah absolutely right to bring it up and

2708
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,679
maybe maybe

2709
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:17,679
maybe i'm gonna add a wee twist to that

2710
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,320
in addition to what danger said is

2711
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,880
i think i'm safe to say this not because

2712
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:24,400
we're not i'm divulging it but because i

2713
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:26,960
think it's a correct conclusion is that

2714
01:40:31,109 --> 01:40:29,119
if we some of these lights might be

2715
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:31,119
tectonic i truly believe we're looking

2716
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:33,440
at multiple light phenomenon in our

2717
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,600
valley

2718
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,360
different sources different causes and

2719
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,600
what the dangers is to call it

2720
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,280
the phenomenon

2721
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,280
which suggests they're all one thing but

2722
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:44,880
i think we've discovered that

2723
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:46,880
phenomenology is much closer to the

2724
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,639
truth that there's maybe several things

2725
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:51,360
going on yeah

2726
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:53,920
it was julio

2727
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,320
yeah who do you helped out so much and

2728
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:58,560
he put vinnie and i stickers on his uh

2729
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:01,040
truck there which is very cool

2730
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:02,080
yeah

2731
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,840
billy is the local fixer guy he knows

2732
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,600
all the farmers the access routes to the

2733
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,960
mountains

2734
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,800
he knows everybody in the valley he's

2735
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,719
he's our safe guy

2736
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,239
i'm not sure you want to joke around too

2737
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,520
much with him

2738
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,199
either i think

2739
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:18,480
always the feeling that uh i always felt

2740
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,920
safe around him but it's one of these

2741
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,880
things where

2742
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,800
i think julio is there for you i don't

2743
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,719
think anybody wants to mess with julio

2744
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,400
julio and they said this to me on the

2745
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:28,000
social network having the party dj

2746
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:30,080
disclosure was dropping them large

2747
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:31,199
everybody was

2748
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:32,719
everyone's having weight and julia came

2749
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:34,000
up and he was getting organized for the

2750
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:35,760
next day and he went

2751
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:37,840
arms and i went like that boom brother

2752
01:41:41,290 --> 01:41:39,679
and he went no arms do we need arms and

2753
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,300
i'm like no we don't need arms

2754
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:42,960
[Laughter]

2755
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,199
we need organization and forward

2756
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:47,600
thinking here the solution too quick is

2757
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:50,320
just let's get kitted up but you know

2758
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,159
that's why we felt safe because we

2759
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:54,320
didn't yeah we didn't move that you're

2760
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:00,629
pre-planning is what it's all about to

2761
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,960
be safe

2762
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,119
and here's the thing too is the i knew

2763
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,880
that these gangs are robbers the bandits

2764
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:08,480
up the hill they go in packs of four and

2765
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:11,280
five and they look for easy victims to

2766
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,480
take their training shoes and their

2767
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:14,880
money if they see 15 people going up in

2768
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,520
a broken line it's too much

2769
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:20,000
15 people in a broken line so that us

2770
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,320
being in a broken line

2771
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:24,719
was our was way more safe than having

2772
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,840
maybe two pistols on us you know yeah

2773
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,920
yeah don't bother don't bother with it

2774
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,600
in the first place let's be honest guys

2775
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,320
you know if you if you do you when

2776
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:36,400
when you have a gun if unless you

2777
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:38,719
absolutely know what you're doing it's

2778
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:41,600
going to get used against you yep

2779
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,840
that's it so no we didn't go out we've

2780
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:45,920
not got that kind of chaos where we are

2781
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:47,440
a bit of organization we're not on the

2782
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,960
west coast where all the trouble happens

2783
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:50,400
in colombia where all the narcos are

2784
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:53,119
exported it's like a thousand miles away

2785
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,480
so

2786
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,880
yeah arabic based danger was one of us

2787
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,960
breaking an ankle at the top and all of

2788
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,719
us having to get them back down that's

2789
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,320
the truth you know

2790
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,679
actually that's good you say that

2791
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:05,040
because i think a lot of people have

2792
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:07,360
just that misconception about colombia

2793
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:08,560
yeah

2794
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,159
look at us this is amazing

2795
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:13,840
look at me hanging out the window

2796
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,320
filming you there

2797
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:18,239
i cannot begin to describe the

2798
01:43:24,980 --> 01:43:23,590
that right there was breaking my knees

2799
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:24,990
more than hiking up that mountain

2800
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,960
[Laughter]

2801
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:28,239
blowing around

2802
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:29,520
seeing different guys in the back of the

2803
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,520
truck there's a scene i can't use here's

2804
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,520
what happens you're all flying along in

2805
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,440
this truck and this the dust is blowing

2806
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:37,280
in the camera it all looks great and

2807
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,560
vinnie puts his hand out innocently to

2808
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,360
hit this red roses around the corner and

2809
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,520
as we turn the corner there's a cow and

2810
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:47,199
it looks like he slaps the cow in the

2811
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,760
ass even though

2812
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:51,920
i can't have dj disclosure done for

2813
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:54,400
animal abuse in episode two you know

2814
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,669
there is the famous hoax photo

2815
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:03,920
oh yeah that's the hoax photo so that is

2816
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,600
the actual mountain that we were up the

2817
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:07,520
pain of the waika and that is a a

2818
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:08,960
well-known

2819
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,960
image over there

2820
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:12,960
but i believe a lot of people believe it

2821
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:15,520
to be a true image am i right

2822
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:17,840
yeah it was presented by a designer and

2823
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,360
he's kind of went look what i've done a

2824
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,880
bit of art and everyone's like i ain't

2825
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,840
nowhere you know that was real and

2826
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:26,400
it exists today as like an iconic ufo

2827
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:28,400
photo from the valley quite clearly a

2828
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:30,639
hoax but it's yeah i'll be really honest

2829
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:32,840
with you've been into films and visual

2830
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:35,760
stuff going into a restaurant and seeing

2831
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,760
a meter by meter photo of a mountain

2832
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:39,360
with the ufo above it i don't give a

2833
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,639
toss if it's

2834
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:42,560
made or hoax it's great to look at great

2835
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:45,920
fun right yeah it is in in that in that

2836
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:47,600
area in the whole

2837
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,639
valley tenno tabio

2838
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:52,000
just

2839
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,440
thing to see and witness and hear

2840
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,440
it's not taboo there's no stigma

2841
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:03,119
whatsoever it's just

2842
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:04,480
the norm

2843
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:05,679
we actually

2844
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,480
so

2845
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,360
we we actually the all of those pictures

2846
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:11,520
you know the the fake ones and the

2847
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,400
obviously

2848
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:14,639
the paintings they created a

2849
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:16,239
conversation or generated a conversation

2850
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,440
that was really interesting we were

2851
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:19,280
talking about what would make a good ufo

2852
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,800
picture and generally the more subtle

2853
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:23,199
the better but yeah we all kind of sat

2854
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:24,480
around the table and said what worked

2855
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:25,920
and what didn't in the different photos

2856
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,760
for us and it was an interesting

2857
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:29,520
conversation

2858
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:30,880
i i don't think i'd be able to trick

2859
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:33,280
everyone with a picture you can't trick

2860
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:35,119
everyone all the time right

2861
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:37,840
um but this this was literally just a

2862
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:40,880
local taxi service um and we didn't get

2863
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:43,840
this taxi service purposely it just came

2864
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,320
this was the one that came and

2865
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:48,880
there's that you know amazing

2866
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:52,320
uh ufo logo on the side there um all the

2867
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,000
people the mountain

2868
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,920
i mean if that's where it was we

2869
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:57,600
if that was real we all would have been

2870
01:46:01,510 --> 01:45:59,600
taken pretty much

2871
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:01,520
that means fairly wide

2872
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:02,960
it's so funny that we keep we're all

2873
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:05,040
talking about the phenomenon and lights

2874
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:06,400
and tectonic light and look what

2875
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:08,880
everybody local thinks it's so blatantly

2876
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,239
it's just big ufos

2877
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:14,880
they think it's no big deal

2878
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:16,800
yeah it's just like normal it's everyday

2879
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:19,360
life yeah exactly not not a big deal but

2880
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:25,109
here we go this is where we stayed hq we

2881
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:26,400
had our own chapel

2882
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:28,159
we were in a little chapel

2883
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:29,520
yeah that was cool

2884
01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:30,560
this was

2885
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,239
there was a bedroom over here and this

2886
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:36,480
is where i stayed um

2887
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,000
and it was quite good because it meant

2888
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,520
when i stayed up late i didn't disturb

2889
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,840
everybody which was nice

2890
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,560
they said louis said we should interview

2891
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:46,560
a priest all we need to do is speak to

2892
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:49,360
dan and as we church there you know

2893
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,310
again these all of these properties you

2894
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:58,320
can see are all aligned on this sacred

2895
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,239
mountain la pena it's the center of

2896
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,480
everything oh there you go wonderful

2897
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:05,040
place ash a wonderful home

2898
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,360
thank you

2899
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,360
i bet you don't mind so for everyone

2900
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:12,000
this is ashley's home that he built

2901
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:14,080
that is absolutely it's literally a slap

2902
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:16,960
bang directly in front of

2903
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,480
the mountain so you imagine on that that

2904
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,080
you can almost see it reflected actually

2905
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,719
in there under there

2906
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,639
you absolutely can and then it's aligned

2907
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:28,719
so that on the equinox each year when

2908
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:31,920
the sun sets directly behind waka we're

2909
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:34,560
directly east so all of the shadows in

2910
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:35,920
our house come into alignment on the

2911
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,800
21st march 21st of september

2912
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:40,400
so it's

2913
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:42,719
absolutely keyed in to the

2914
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,280
important indigenous alignments that all

2915
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:47,760
of the temples were um following so yeah

2916
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:50,000
it's quite a special

2917
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,000
home to live in it's completely

2918
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:54,239
integrated with the mountain it's like a

2919
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,880
uap watch center where i can share all

2920
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:58,800
night and at home there's my dog you

2921
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:01,119
look at her

2922
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:03,040
yeah

2923
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:07,750
anyway move on from the house before i

2924
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,560
get stalkers at the gate

2925
01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:11,840
they've already figured out where you

2926
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,840
live we've got the biggest one we've got

2927
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,280
the biggest one on the chat tonight you

2928
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:17,280
just joined us look at that walter

2929
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:18,880
stalks me he's been in colombia so many

2930
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,790
i tell you i don't know

2931
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:26,639
interestingly though let's be honest

2932
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:28,880
that was your first trip studying uap we

2933
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,440
do archaeology stuff oh check it out

2934
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:33,199
this is the haircut

2935
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:34,639
there you go

2936
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,400
i felt like i had to i had to fit in

2937
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:38,400
with the locals because they were like

2938
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:40,880
jazzy hairstyles so

2939
01:48:43,610 --> 01:48:42,800
i literally on a whim just went in

2940
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:43,620
didn't know

2941
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:56,229
it was so hard for me

2942
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,830
yeah indeed you're meant to have

2943
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,520
consistency in your clothes and you're

2944
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:01,280
here when you're filming and you did a

2945
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:03,360
dive into a local barber and screwed my

2946
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,239
consistency

2947
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,480
guys lydia's got to go lydia thank you

2948
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,239
so much for joining us tonight we missed

2949
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:12,159
yesterday

2950
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:14,880
how nice he was there lydia will see you

2951
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:18,320
very soon remember february next year

2952
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,960
oh yeah it's lovely to see you lydia

2953
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:22,880
well well not to see you i guess ladies

2954
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:32,950
we're coming to the end we're coming to

2955
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:34,880
the end oh yeah

2956
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:38,000
and an end um of a great thing i'm so

2957
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:39,840
happy to see all this it brings alive

2958
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:45,030
it just makes me want to go back and i

2959
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:50,870
what's going to happen oh it is february

2960
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:53,760
20 23. look at that guys guys we should

2961
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,960
let's go back to the first of me i just

2962
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:58,880
i'm so

2963
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,239
i'm just got so much not anxiety but

2964
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:04,400
excitement genuine excitement to show

2965
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,000
what we did with everybody it's just

2966
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,080
it's so original we don't use one piece

2967
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:12,880
of archive footage there's nothing from

2968
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:14,960
that you'll see in another ufo show

2969
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,280
everything is in scene here's something

2970
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,920
i'm really proud of in the first episode

2971
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,239
it's 30 minutes long

2972
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:24,480
i have been able to do the whole episode

2973
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:25,440
with

2974
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,719
35 seconds of my voiceover

2975
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:30,080
at the end

2976
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:32,560
everything else comes from you guys in

2977
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:33,520
scene

2978
01:50:38,709 --> 01:50:36,239
without any voice over to fudger to link

2979
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:38,719
the story because we missed it it's just

2980
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:40,800
really good i'm proud of it as a

2981
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,350
i can turn the volume down on these i

2982
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:48,000
was just getting my first track behind

2983
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,109
i

2984
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:00,159
really should have been part of the 63

2985
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:09,910
it was it kind of it vibrated your hand

2986
01:51:13,589 --> 01:51:11,840
as you were doing it so you kind of came

2987
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:13,599
away with it wasn't pins and needles but

2988
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:15,280
it was certainly a tingling on your hand

2989
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,960
you know could you could you stop the

2990
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:18,960
video before the blue arborizes into

2991
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:20,110
your hand

2992
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:27,589
here you go

2993
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:29,910
hey look you only says

2994
01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:31,760
my cat just came running towards me as

2995
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:33,480
soon as this started playing that's

2996
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:37,119
crazy that's awesome

2997
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,599
when dan drives through wales like

2998
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:41,199
people are what girls are watching the

2999
01:51:43,380 --> 01:51:42,800
tv and they get sucked out of the window

3000
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:43,390
and stick on

3001
01:51:49,589 --> 01:51:45,119
[Laughter]

3002
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,790
that's great

3003
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,400
this i love this picture this this was

3004
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,159
hanging in your window sure what's in

3005
01:52:02,310 --> 01:51:57,199
the sky there is that the sun yeah um

3006
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:04,310
a special night for many reasons um it

3007
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:07,599
was cool i i went after

3008
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:09,360
part taking a ceremony that i may talk

3009
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:11,440
about in the future um and you and

3010
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:13,360
vinnie did did some mountain watching i

3011
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:14,719
think everyone had gone home by this

3012
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:16,960
point right except all

3013
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:19,920
yeah all the best people i mentioned

3014
01:52:26,709 --> 01:52:23,040
yeah i'm saying nothing i'm saying

3015
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:28,950
there you go

3016
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:33,430
coffee

3017
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:36,239
in his last video all right interview

3018
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:38,320
yeah this was our last picture here

3019
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,360
oh

3020
01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:41,199
together

3021
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:43,520
um

3022
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:45,119
guys do you think we should do one of

3023
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:47,360
these brilliant youtube lives on the

3024
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:49,920
phenomenology channel maybe

3025
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:52,239
during the show coming out so i thought

3026
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:54,320
we were doing a little thing after each

3027
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:55,119
one

3028
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,480
i think i would love to but what i'm

3029
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,480
thinking is to drive to try and get more

3030
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:00,800
subscribers in the phenomena

3031
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:02,239
we could do there and discuss the

3032
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,840
episodes you know what happened last

3033
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:05,520
week or do you think yeah what happened

3034
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:06,800
last week that would be the best way to

3035
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:07,679
do it

3036
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:09,040
i totally didn't realize this lady

3037
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,400
behind me was looking at what i was

3038
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:12,400
doing wow look at her two she's having a

3039
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:15,280
real gawk right there yeah right just

3040
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:16,800
like the whole time

3041
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:22,950
she's actually so entrenched in her call

3042
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:28,709
that's pretty cool man i had to sit on

3043
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,320
my own for like i don't know how many

3044
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:32,000
hours

3045
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:35,280
we're not on my own but with strangers

3046
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:36,560
it's different when you're used to

3047
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:40,239
traveling with someone listen before we

3048
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,119
do the last bit of conversation and

3049
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:45,199
and finish i'm going to play the the

3050
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:48,159
rough cuts video for everyone i'm sure

3051
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:49,040
people

3052
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:50,480
i'm just going to go i'm going to go and

3053
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,440
spend a penny i'll be back yeah

3054
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:56,000
no worries let's

3055
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:59,599
play this for everybody

3056
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:01,840
i don't know what that was

3057
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:04,800
but looking at it here it was

3058
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:06,800
clear as well

3059
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:08,159
when you speak to the people here

3060
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,440
there's

3061
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:11,599
a kind of preponderance of evidence and

3062
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:14,159
stories that really show beyond a doubt

3063
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:15,520
there's something strange up on that

3064
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:17,760
mountain and the thing that i saw it was

3065
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:20,480
like moving super fast you're from here

3066
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,159
do you still believe this light

3067
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:24,800
phenomenon exists as an unexplained

3068
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,639
entity i do

3069
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:29,199
i believe a lot more mysterious things

3070
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:30,960
here but then when you throw in a case

3071
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,440
involving a tic-tac which is a bit more

3072
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,239
military-based a bit more nuts and bolts

3073
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:38,480
then it just adds more weight to the the

3074
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:39,840
fact that there's so many different

3075
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,760
things happening here there were some

3076
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:43,760
lights flying around the top of the

3077
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:46,639
mountain and the the ufos or the strange

3078
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,840
things

3079
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,760
were flying and parking inside the

3080
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:51,679
archaeologist in ten ho showed us the

3081
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:53,920
moon stone which it reflects moonlight

3082
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:56,159
causing some sort of orb or some sort of

3083
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,320
reflection

3084
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:00,719
it's getting more and more mysterious

3085
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:03,440
i think those two lights coming together

3086
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:06,320
forming a greater light might then

3087
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:09,280
possibly interact with that

3088
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:10,719
magnetically

3089
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:12,880
we have technology today

3090
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:15,679
to figure out what all this is

3091
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:16,719
and

3092
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,199
instead of accepting

3093
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:21,280
that it's religious or spiritual or

3094
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:22,639
something like that

3095
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:25,040
go in and get empirical data and derive

3096
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:26,960
your conclusion from that the lights on

3097
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:28,800
the mountain are the only thing that

3098
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:31,520
science will quantify right but

3099
01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:33,760
the the witness testimony in the history

3100
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:36,239
is so important to them

3101
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:38,480
and how that phenomena is viewed that

3102
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:40,400
you can't really separate them

3103
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:42,800
and hessdalen is similar in that regard

3104
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:44,800
it's just the culture

3105
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:46,480
that was happening here warren's bigger

3106
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:48,320
investigation with a lot more equipment

3107
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:50,080
that's distance in place we've got

3108
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:52,480
multiple lengths going on in here and

3109
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,920
we've got a week

3110
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:55,599
to get to those locations where the

3111
01:56:04,629 --> 01:55:57,040
lights are up to figure out what's going

3112
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:06,790
about a week and a half to go

3113
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:10,560
yeah that terrifies me

3114
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:13,119
all the audio's mastered

3115
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:15,840
ball there it ought to excite you

3116
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:19,440
yeah it does if i can see if i can see

3117
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:21,920
past the fourth if i can get episode

3118
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,400
four in the bag and the week i go home i

3119
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:26,239
know then i'm work i'm three four weeks

3120
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:29,119
ahead which is safe

3121
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:30,960
and i'm fine but um

3122
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,560
here's the thing

3123
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,080
there's a lot of judgment coming for all

3124
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:36,480
of us and that doesn't make me anxious

3125
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:38,400
it makes me feel quite intrepid we've

3126
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:40,639
got lots of good and lots of bad coming

3127
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:41,920
as you said at the start there's going

3128
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,800
to be

3129
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:44,159
a section of people that are going to

3130
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:45,599
see

3131
01:56:49,109 --> 01:56:47,280
the first thing that someone tells us

3132
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:49,119
about as drone it's going to be

3133
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:50,639
automatic write-off and then we're going

3134
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:52,560
to have the people that are going to

3135
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:54,400
be wholly convinced we're looking at

3136
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,239
extraterrestrial beings here and i can't

3137
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:58,159
wait to see what the flash of feedback

3138
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:59,599
is because

3139
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,800
that too

3140
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:02,639
is a broadening up of our experiment

3141
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:04,960
that's phenomenology what do people

3142
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:06,080
think

3143
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,320
is going on in that valley so

3144
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:10,400
so much coming guys it's gonna be like a

3145
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:11,920
title with

3146
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:14,320
yeah and that's and that's good i think

3147
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:15,760
i think we're all ready for it honestly

3148
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:16,480
i

3149
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:28,719
you've got on your team for me

3150
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,360
but i am by no means by no means am i

3151
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:33,199
below saying

3152
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:35,040
well hell i don't know what that is in

3153
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:35,840
fact

3154
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:38,480
bring it please please bring it yeah but

3155
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:41,599
walter i i i found myself being

3156
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:43,679
almost identical to you by the end of it

3157
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:45,440
and i didn't expect that you know i was

3158
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:46,719
expecting to be

3159
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,159
the uap ufo guy and i wasn't i was like

3160
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:52,800
we you know i'm more excited for the

3161
01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:54,639
next stage where we can get sensor

3162
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:57,360
systems and everything into place

3163
01:58:00,149 --> 01:57:58,800
i've got to be careful with my words

3164
01:58:02,470 --> 01:58:00,159
here because i don't want to spoil

3165
01:58:04,470 --> 01:58:02,480
anything but i'm excited for the next

3166
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:04,480
stage of the investigation where sensor

3167
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:06,880
systems can be put into play and

3168
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:09,760
we can maybe start getting some answers

3169
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:11,360
yeah

3170
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,599
i i never thought thought i'd say this

3171
01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:16,239
so so frequently but the older i get hey

3172
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:18,080
brothers it's a journey

3173
01:58:25,430 --> 01:58:24,070
and i'm not an open mind i don't like it

3174
01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:25,440
when people say keep an open mind

3175
01:58:29,510 --> 01:58:27,840
because if you keep the way i see it if

3176
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:29,520
you keep an open mind

3177
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:31,520
why the hell did ashley get me why'd he

3178
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:33,760
get you why do you get dan no there's

3179
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:34,960
something

3180
01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:36,639
you know seriously there is

3181
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:39,679
you said in an interview walter you said

3182
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:41,760
if any one of these sightings turns out

3183
01:58:45,830 --> 01:58:44,320
to be a phantom 4 drone

3184
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:45,840
put it to the side

3185
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:47,920
bring on the next mystery that's what

3186
01:58:52,229 --> 01:58:50,159
this is all about working through each

3187
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:52,239
one of these reports we've got taking it

3188
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:55,119
to its nth degree and going

3189
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:58,000
interesting or gone

3190
01:59:02,470 --> 01:59:00,400
absolutely work from the bottom up don't

3191
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:02,480
start at the top ufos and then prove

3192
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:04,880
everything out you know start knock

3193
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:06,480
everything off first and then if you're

3194
01:59:11,109 --> 01:59:08,560
left with something still that you can't

3195
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:11,119
explain then we're into the realm of the

3196
01:59:15,030 --> 01:59:12,960
anomalous and things like that but we

3197
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:15,040
can't start at the top and work down we

3198
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:17,840
have to go from the bottom up from the

3199
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:20,400
let's cancel out drones let's cancel out

3200
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:22,400
torches and hikers and all that kind of

3201
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:23,840
normal stuff

3202
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:25,520
i think that's the best way to do it you

3203
01:59:29,669 --> 01:59:27,599
know i mean it is you know i couldn't

3204
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:29,679
agree more i don't know how many photos

3205
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:32,560
i see or just videos of just lights in

3206
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:34,560
the sky and i'll say did you did you

3207
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:36,080
check the flight paths

3208
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:37,360
and

3209
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:39,360
people will just get angry straight away

3210
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:41,040
and and it's really frustrating because

3211
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:42,400
i you know i never asked the question

3212
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:43,599
because i'm judging i'm always asking

3213
01:59:47,910 --> 01:59:45,360
the question because just on the off

3214
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:47,920
chance that you're wrong check it you

3215
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:50,560
know um we should be gathering all of

3216
01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:52,320
the different data points that we can

3217
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:54,400
whether it's you know human testimony

3218
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:56,159
and oh sorry witness testimony or

3219
02:00:00,870 --> 01:59:59,040
whether it's hard data like that um to

3220
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,880
come to a solution because that's that's

3221
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:02,239
what we're here for to solve these

3222
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:03,840
things you know we all want the truth

3223
02:00:06,950 --> 02:00:05,360
and and

3224
02:00:08,709 --> 02:00:06,960
we've just got to keep digging with it

3225
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:08,719
you you can't just tap out at the first

3226
02:00:11,589 --> 02:00:10,000
sign of uh

3227
02:00:13,350 --> 02:00:11,599
of a bias

3228
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:13,360
yeah absolutely and you know what on the

3229
02:00:19,589 --> 02:00:16,480
budget that we had which was zero

3230
02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:19,599
i think we did a [\h__\h] good job

3231
02:00:23,510 --> 02:00:21,360
and one of the things you'll never hear

3232
02:00:25,350 --> 02:00:23,520
like i as because the biggest so

3233
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:25,360
phenomenology was the philosophical

3234
02:00:29,430 --> 02:00:27,760
movement from the 19th century it's not

3235
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:29,440
something i've come up with this was a

3236
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:31,199
philosophical movement now

3237
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:33,920
the biggest fear of phenomenologist is

3238
02:00:37,669 --> 02:00:35,280
the word belief

3239
02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:37,679
so never once did i ask any of you what

3240
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,000
do you believe i asked you what do you

3241
02:00:44,629 --> 02:00:42,719
think you saw what did you experience

3242
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:44,639
what did it look like what did you and

3243
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:45,440
it's

3244
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:47,040
never what did you believe because i

3245
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:48,480
think there's seven and a half billion

3246
02:00:51,430 --> 02:00:49,760
people therefore there's seven and a

3247
02:00:53,189 --> 02:00:51,440
half billion beliefs i'll be really

3248
02:00:55,109 --> 02:00:53,199
honest i don't give a [\h__\h] what you guys

3249
02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:55,119
believe i want to know what you saw

3250
02:00:59,910 --> 02:00:57,760
that's that's our our kind of

3251
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:59,920
our the tracks that we travel on we're

3252
02:01:03,510 --> 02:01:00,960
not going to

3253
02:01:05,669 --> 02:01:03,520
confuse people with egotists pounding

3254
02:01:07,830 --> 02:01:05,679
home their personal beliefs there's no

3255
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:07,840
space for that phenomenology and i'm

3256
02:01:12,629 --> 02:01:09,920
over the moon about that

3257
02:01:14,629 --> 02:01:12,639
absolutely man absolutely well listen

3258
02:01:16,870 --> 02:01:14,639
guys we've just hit or just jumped over

3259
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:16,880
the two hour mark and i'm sure we could

3260
02:01:21,109 --> 02:01:19,280
just keep talking for ages but

3261
02:01:23,189 --> 02:01:21,119
i think what the best thing to do is

3262
02:01:24,550 --> 02:01:23,199
leave it at that for now we're a week

3263
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:24,560
and a half away from the premiere of

3264
02:01:28,950 --> 02:01:26,400
episode one i think we should do this

3265
02:01:31,270 --> 02:01:28,960
kind of conversation after each episode

3266
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:31,280
airs i'm certainly up for it all right

3267
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:33,280
then people yeah we really

3268
02:01:37,510 --> 02:01:35,199
see if maybe we can get uh you know

3269
02:01:40,390 --> 02:01:37,520
knight doss in uh yeah i'm not sure if

3270
02:01:42,629 --> 02:01:40,400
we can get josh on um you know lydia if

3271
02:01:43,990 --> 02:01:42,639
she fancied it and just get that get get

3272
02:01:47,669 --> 02:01:44,000
all those faces they were going to be on

3273
02:01:49,270 --> 02:01:47,679
screen to discuss i guess yeah yeah

3274
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:49,280
i think that'd be really cool

3275
02:01:53,669 --> 02:01:52,000
yeah so let's leave it at that um you

3276
02:01:55,589 --> 02:01:53,679
guys hang about though we'll say goodbye

3277
02:01:58,470 --> 02:01:55,599
to everybody and we'll have a little

3278
02:02:00,709 --> 02:01:58,480
debrief privately afterwards so

3279
02:02:02,550 --> 02:02:00,719
for everyone watching i really hope you

3280
02:02:03,910 --> 02:02:02,560
enjoyed that it was so nice to go

3281
02:02:05,669 --> 02:02:03,920
through everything it makes me want to

3282
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:05,679
go back so bad but i think we're going

3283
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:08,800
to go back out early 2023

3284
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:11,199
and continue the investigation project

3285
02:02:14,950 --> 02:02:13,440
wiker will continue

3286
02:02:16,470 --> 02:02:14,960
so for now guys

3287
02:02:18,629 --> 02:02:16,480
i'm going to be back here on this

3288
02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:18,639
channel well this saturday i have a

3289
02:02:22,870 --> 02:02:20,960
premiere of my interview with steph from

3290
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:22,880
uap experiences where she talks about

3291
02:02:27,350 --> 02:02:25,599
her family sighting back in the 80s

3292
02:02:29,669 --> 02:02:27,360
witnessed by herself her mother and her

3293
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:29,679
sister of a black triangle that's going

3294
02:02:34,629 --> 02:02:32,320
to premiere this saturday and then on

3295
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:34,639
monday the 25th dr david clarke is

3296
02:02:37,030 --> 02:02:35,920
joining me again we're going to be

3297
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:37,040
talking about

3298
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:40,000
some pilot experiences back in the 50s

3299
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:42,159
i think it's yes the 50s and we actually

3300
02:02:46,310 --> 02:02:44,639
have audio recording of interviews that

3301
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:46,320
david did with the pilots that have

3302
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,400
never been heard before lots of other

3303
02:02:51,510 --> 02:02:50,239
things coming up in the weeks following

3304
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:51,520
i'm not going to bore you with all that

3305
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:54,159
right now so for now everyone thank you

3306
02:02:58,149 --> 02:02:56,000
so much i really appreciate you all

3307
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:58,159
being here and we will see you soon take